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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    And there is also Polish Columbus! Both Polish and Norwegian Columbus have one point in common, namely that of the alleged similarity of Columbus' coat of arms to those of Norwegian or Polish families (of course these are theories not taken seriously by anyone though).
    I'd also discard that but not yet before having had a look.

    There were indeed some possibly America-related things going on in Northern Europe briefly before Columbus. Have you heard of Potthorst and Pining? Pls. don't roll your eyes, because they happen to be Germans. I'm even somewhat uncomfortable with that because it could look biased. But in the name of factulality they are to be mentioned:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didrik_Pining
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Pothorst

    Unquestionably there was some Greenland tour (at least) and there seems to have been involved the navigator Scolvus (if he's real):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Scolvus

    Maybe a German from Danzig or a Pole.

    What I want to say is that Columbus may well have had some information on these seafarers and it's also not impossible that he either got to know someone who had taken part in that travel or even he took part himself.

    Having reached land "behind" Greenland (maybe) could have been be a trigger for Columbus to promote such an untertaking farther south as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I'd also discard that but not yet before having had a look.

    There were indeed some possibly America-related things going on in Northern Europe briefly before Columbus. Have you heard of Potthorst and Pining? Pls. don't roll your eyes, because they happen to be Germans. I'm even somewhat uncomfortable with that because it could look biased. But in the name of factulality they are to be mentioned:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didrik_Pining
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Pothorst

    Unquestionably there was some Greenland tour (at least) and there seems to have been involved the navigator Scolvus (if he's real):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Scolvus

    Maybe a German from Danzig or a Pole.

    What I want to say is that Columbus may well have had some information on these seafarers and it's also not impossible that he either got to know someone who had taken part in that travel or even he took part himself.

    Having reached land "behind" Greenland (maybe) could have been be a trigger for Columbus to promote such an untertaking farther south as well.
    Well, one does not roll his eyes because of the nationality of the navigators, but rather because there is little to no evidence in the theories concerning them. Columbus certainly did not even know those people, and he was not even interested in America at first, but in Asia as we all know.

    In any case, North America is a different story, Leif Erikson landed there around 1000 AD nearly five centuries before the voyages of Christopher Columbus and John Cabot.

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    This is a very serious research project carried out by prestigious Spanish researchers and all those theories that had a documentary support including the Genoese, Norwegian, Greek and even Russian theories are veing investigated.

    Thank God we have 100% certainty about the bones of Hernando Colón son of the Admiral and Beatriz Enriquez de Arana. These have been already analyzed and compared to those of Diego Colón (brother of the Admiral) and with the bones of V
    Colón in Seville. The remains that were in the Dominixan Republic have also been compared. No one can deny without proof that these are the remains of Cristobal Colón

    The result of the investigation is that no tombs have been opened in Genoa, Norway or Mallorca, but in Galicia, so everything points to a Spanish origin of the Admiral. Now we only have to wait and see if the conclusions are correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    In any case, North America is a different story, Leif Erikson landed there around 1000 AD nearly five centuries before the voyages of Christopher Columbus and John Cabot.
    Not, North America is not a different story, it´s the same story, because Leif Erickson landed to Greenland, settled a few people over there for a time and what else? NOTHING. Surely other western european sailors (portuguese, galician, basque...) reached America before Colón, but once again... what else? NOTHING.

    October 12th 1492, three ships sent by Castile Kingdom landed to a new land, America, and February 28th 1493, La Pinta ship landed Baiona (Galicia) claiming about the arriving to new lands across the Atlantic Ocean all over Europe. September 25th 1493 a new expedition from Castile departures to the new lands across the Atlantic Ocean with 17 ships and 2.000 men. The rest is HISTORY, not a simple story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I'd also discard that but not yet before having had a look.

    There were indeed some possibly America-related things going on in Northern Europe briefly before Columbus. Have you heard of Potthorst and Pining? Pls. don't roll your eyes, because they happen to be Germans. I'm even somewhat uncomfortable with that because it could look biased. But in the name of factulality they are to be mentioned:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didrik_Pining
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Pothorst

    Unquestionably there was some Greenland tour (at least) and there seems to have been involved the navigator Scolvus (if he's real):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Scolvus

    Maybe a German from Danzig or a Pole.

    What I want to say is that Columbus may well have had some information on these seafarers and it's also not impossible that he either got to know someone who had taken part in that travel or even he took part himself.

    Having reached land "behind" Greenland (maybe) could have been be a trigger for Columbus to promote such an untertaking farther south as well.
    for sure is that a german was the first to sail around the globe twice
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maestre_Anes
    GENO2.0 51SEURO 19WCEURO 13SCANDINAVIA 5ASIAMINOR 4EEURO 4GB/IRELAND 3ARABIA MYORIGINS 52WCEUROPE 40SEEUROPE 5BRITISHISLES 3WMIDEAST DNA.LAND 49NWEURO 27SEURO 13MED.ISLANDER 11SARDINIAN MYHERITAGE 51.8NWEURO 33.2ITALIAN 7.9GREEK/S.ITALY 7.1BALKAN GENEPLAZA 54.4NWEURO 37.6GRE/ALB 5.6WASIAN 2.4SWASIA LIVINGDNA 57.4S.GER 3.3NE.GER 25.8N.ITA 5S.ITA 4.3TUSCANY 2.5CYPRUS 1.7AEGEAN FTDNA 49.7 WESTERN EUROPE britain/ireland,cen.europe,scandinavia 50.3 SOUTHERN EUROPE ita-peninsula,greece&balkan,sardinia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidtab View Post
    Not, North America is not a different story, it´s the same story, because Leif Erickson landed to Greenland, settled a few people over there for a time and what else? NOTHING.
    That's why it's a different story :b (btw I was referring to Newfoundland island, Canada rather than Greenland).

    Quote Originally Posted by Davidtab View Post
    Surely other western european sailors (portuguese, galician, basque...) reached America before Colón
    It's not that sure.

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