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    Exhumation of remains of a Galician nobleman to check if he was related to C. Columbu

    https://www.rtve.es/play/videos/tele...0era%20gallego.

    Research progress continues, everything points to a Galician-Portuguese origin. The male lineage has not yet been revealed, we will have to wait a few months more.

    Apparently Galicia is the only region in Spain where the Colón surname is documented in the 15th century

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    https://www.rtve.es/play/videos/prog...-2022/6648071/

    Sorry, this video is in Spanish, but he most important (besides the beautiful journalist) comes at minute 8:11 when Dr Lorente profesor of forensic medicine at the University of Granada to the journalist's question about wether he thinks that this genetic research will change history, answers that he thinks not, but obviously despite being impartial and have nothing against the Italian origin of Columbus, is is not the same being the son of a humble family of sailors to be the son of a Portuguese nobleman with strong connections to the Spanish Royal family, which would explain the support of Queen Isabella to the expedition.

    I think the nobleman exhumed is Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor

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    The remains of Hernando Colon and Diego Colon have also been analyzed and there is a confidentiality contract according to which the results will be first given to the current Duke of Veragua, Cristobal Colon de Carvajal (who is not a direct male descendant, since the noble title has been transmited twice through the female line)

    25 different theories have been studied, the most accepted wordlwide is a Genoese origin. In Spain there are theories about a Catalan, Majorcan, Castilian (Guadalajara) and Galician origin as well as 3 Portuguese hypotheses, jewish, russian, croatian, english etc....

    They are going to keep the doubts until the end because they are making a game of thrones type series keeping alive certain posibilities until the final moment.

    Im not sure that the Ychr is realy decisive (unless os a typical Spanish lineage) but rather they will focus on the autosomal components

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    The remains of Hernando Colon and Diego Colon have also been analyzed and there is a confidentiality contract according to which the results will be first given to the current Duke of Veragua, Cristobal Colon de Carvajal (who is not a direct male descendant, since the noble title has been transmited twice through the female line)

    25 different theories have been studied, the most accepted wordlwide is a Genoese origin. In Spain there are theories about a Catalan, Majorcan, Castilian (Guadalajara) and Galician origin as well as 3 Portuguese hypotheses, jewish, russian, croatian, english etc....

    They are going to keep the doubts until the end because they are making a game of thrones type series keeping alive certain posibilities until the final moment.

    Im not sure that the Ychr is realy decisive (unless os a typical Spanish lineage) but rather they will focus on the autosomal components
    Hopefully they also looks at some Genovese samples with the surname Colombo, since his real name is supposed to have been Cristoforo Colombo.

    For full disclosure, I win either way

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    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Hopefully they also looks at some Genovese samples with the surname Colombo, since his real name is supposed to have been Cristoforo Colombo.

    For full disclosure, I win either way

    current Colombo surname in Italy by region


    https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-co...aliani/COLOMBO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    This thread should be in the UFO\bs conspiracy theory section.
    Really? May be in a few months you will think differently. The history of the discovery of America is not going to change because Columbus is not Italian. The important thing is that the mistery is finally going to be unveiled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    Really? May be in a few months you will think differently. The history of the discovery of America is not going to change because Columbus is not Italian. The important thing is that the mistery is finally going to be unveiled
    How did Columbus discover America if people was already there when he arrived?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    How did Columbus discover America if people was already there when he arrived?
    Because they didn't have an idea of the continents and the geography of the world. The Vikings which arrived in America had an idea of the place they discovered, but still they created no cartographical representation of America. Actually, even Columbus at first had his troubles, when he initially believed that he reached Asian India and therefore the Indians. But when he corrected his mistake and others helped with the cartography, we deal with a proper discovery in the scientific sense. Just being somewhere is not the same. If e.g. the Chinese would have discovered and cartographed America first, that would be a different thing. Interestingly the Chinese started their explorations, which abruptly ended soon afterwards, also in the 15th century:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    But they never reached America for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Because they didn't have an idea of the continents and the geography of the world. The Vikings which arrived in America had an idea of the place they discovered, but still they created no cartographical representation of America. Actually, even Columbus at first had his troubles, when he initially believed that he reached Asian India and therefore the Indians. But when he corrected his mistake and others helped with the cartography, we deal with a proper discovery and the scientific sense. Just being somewhere is not the same. If e.g. the Chinese would have discovered and cartographed America first, that would be a different thing. Interestingly the Chinese started their explorations, which abruptly ended soon afterwards, also in the 15th century:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    But they never reached America for that matter.
    I understand what you are saying but he still didn't discover it first, just because someone didn't draw a map it doesn't negate the fact they discovered America before him
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