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Thread: Exhumation of remains of a Galician nobleman to check if he was related to C. Columbu

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    Exhumation of remains of a Galician nobleman to check if he was related to C. Columbu

    https://www.rtve.es/play/videos/tele...0era%20gallego.

    Research progress continues, everything points to a Galician-Portuguese origin. The male lineage has not yet been revealed, we will have to wait a few months more.

    Apparently Galicia is the only region in Spain where the Colón surname is documented in the 15th century

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    https://www.rtve.es/play/videos/prog...-2022/6648071/

    Sorry, this video is in Spanish, but he most important (besides the beautiful journalist) comes at minute 8:11 when Dr Lorente profesor of forensic medicine at the University of Granada to the journalist's question about wether he thinks that this genetic research will change history, answers that he thinks not, but obviously despite being impartial and have nothing against the Italian origin of Columbus, is is not the same being the son of a humble family of sailors to be the son of a Portuguese nobleman with strong connections to the Spanish Royal family, which would explain the support of Queen Isabella to the expedition.

    I think the nobleman exhumed is Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor

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    The remains of Hernando Colon and Diego Colon have also been analyzed and there is a confidentiality contract according to which the results will be first given to the current Duke of Veragua, Cristobal Colon de Carvajal (who is not a direct male descendant, since the noble title has been transmited twice through the female line)

    25 different theories have been studied, the most accepted wordlwide is a Genoese origin. In Spain there are theories about a Catalan, Majorcan, Castilian (Guadalajara) and Galician origin as well as 3 Portuguese hypotheses, jewish, russian, croatian, english etc....

    They are going to keep the doubts until the end because they are making a game of thrones type series keeping alive certain posibilities until the final moment.

    Im not sure that the Ychr is realy decisive (unless os a typical Spanish lineage) but rather they will focus on the autosomal components

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    If they have the genetic signature/data attributed to Christopher Columbus they can observe and compare the matches, the autosomal components can easily show the Iberian or Italian region of origin and if they have the Y-DNA and mtDNA full sequences nowadays they can find direct ethnic matches as well.
    I think Columbus learned to navigate in the Atlantic Ocean with the Portuguese, married a Portuguese woman from Madeira Island and he was more important for the Spanish Empire, Columbus was not relevant for the "discovery" of Brazil or for the Portuguese Empire because they had other geopolitical project and pretensions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    This thread should be in the UFO\bs conspiracy theory section.
    Really? May be in a few months you will think differently. The history of the discovery of America is not going to change because Columbus is not Italian. The important thing is that the mistery is finally going to be unveiled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    This thread should be in the UFO\bs conspiracy theory section.
    DNA doesn´t lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    If they have the genetic signature/data attributed to Christopher Columbus they can observe and compare the matches, the autosomal components can easily show the Iberian or Italian region of origin and if they have the Y-DNA and mtDNA full sequences nowadays they can find direct ethnic matches as well.
    I think Columbus learned to navigate in the Atlantic Ocean with the Portuguese, married a Portuguese woman from Madeira Island and he was more important for the Spanish Empire, Columbus was not relevant for the "discovery" of Brazil or for the Portuguese Empire because they had other geopolitical project and pretensions.
    You are right, the first european to arrive in Brazil was not Colon but Vicente Yañez Pinzon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidtab View Post
    DNA doesn´t lie.
    They are literally digging unmarked graves under a tree https://img.asmedia.epimg.net/resize...OTBCJXFRV4.PNG
    dozens of undated remains found, vary vague connection with people that might have been connected to who knows who. Absolutely embarrassing stuff. And that Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor has nothing to do with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    They are literally digging unmarked graves under a tree https://img.asmedia.epimg.net/resize...OTBCJXFRV4.PNG
    dozens of undated remains found, vary vague connection with people that might have been connect to who knows who. Absolutely embarrassing stuff. And that Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor has nothing to do with anything.
    You should not turn this thread into a fight between italians and Spaniards.

    History cannot be changed and DNA will solve the mistery

    And you should not say that they have analyzed remains under a tree to try to discredit the research because the project has analyzed remains of all Colon family. Now they are searching in Galicia because the results have nothing to do with Italy.

    If finally it turns out that Colon is not Italian you will always have Scipio the African

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