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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    Really? May be in a few months you will think differently. The history of the discovery of America is not going to change because Columbus is not Italian. The important thing is that the mistery is finally going to be unveiled
    How did Columbus discover America if people was already there when he arrived?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    How did Columbus discover America if people was already there when he arrived?
    Because they didn't have an idea of the continents and the geography of the world. The Vikings which arrived in America had an idea of the place they discovered, but still they created no cartographical representation of America. Actually, even Columbus at first had his troubles, when he initially believed that he reached Asian India and therefore the Indians. But when he corrected his mistake and others helped with the cartography, we deal with a proper discovery in the scientific sense. Just being somewhere is not the same. If e.g. the Chinese would have discovered and cartographed America first, that would be a different thing. Interestingly the Chinese started their explorations, which abruptly ended soon afterwards, also in the 15th century:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    But they never reached America for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    How did Columbus discover America if people was already there when he arrived?
    At least for Europeans it was a discovery because we did not know that there were lands on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

    And I dont think the Indians knew that Europe existed either, so Columbus helped them to understand (discover) that there were other continents besides their own.

    And finally I dont think that Africans knew that America existed so Columbus helped you to learn a little bit of geography

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Because they didn't have an idea of the continents and the geography of the world. The Vikings which arrived in America had an idea of the place they discovered, but still they created no cartographical representation of America. Actually, even Columbus at first had his troubles, when he initially believed that he reached Asian India and therefore the Indians. But when he corrected his mistake and others helped with the cartography, we deal with a proper discovery and the scientific sense. Just being somewhere is not the same. If e.g. the Chinese would have discovered and cartographed America first, that would be a different thing. Interestingly the Chinese started their explorations, which abruptly ended soon afterwards, also in the 15th century:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    But they never reached America for that matter.
    I understand what you are saying but he still didn't discover it first, just because someone didn't draw a map it doesn't negate the fact they discovered America before him
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    Nobody in the whole Old World knew that America existed before his journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Nobody in the whole Old World knew that America existed before his journey.
    That's different he helped the old world know that America existed. Saying he discovered means for me that nobody arrived before him and was on the land
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    I understand what you are saying but he still didn't discover it first, just because someone didn't draw a map it doesn't negate the fact they discovered America before him
    His expedition was the first one arriving to America and returning to Eurasia saying loud and clear everyone and everywhere: "We have discovered something new".

    That´s the point, and everything else is only blablabla...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    You are right, the first european to arrive in Brazil was not Colon but Vicente Yañez Pinzon
    Yes, but they didin't know where they were, even Columbus died thinking he "had arrived" in Asia.

    After Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500, they were also "lost", only Gonçalo Coelho's 1501 expedition with Amerigo Vespucci understood they "had discovered" a completely new continent for the first time in Brazil, the first and original "America".

    Vespucci claimed to have understood, back in 1501 during his Portuguese expedition, that Brazil was part of a continent new to Europeans, which he called the "New World". The claim inspired cartographer Martin Waldseemüller to recognize Vespucci's accomplishments in 1507 by applying the Latinized form "America" for the first time to a map showing the New World. Other cartographers followed suit, and by 1532 the name America was permanently affixed to the newly discovered continents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    You should not turn this thread into a fight between italians and Spaniards.

    History cannot be changed and DNA will solve the mistery

    And you should not say that they have analyzed remains under a tree to try to discredit the research because the project has analyzed remains of all Colon family. Now they are searching in Galicia because the results have nothing to do with Italy.

    If finally it turns out that Colon is not Italian you will always have Scipio the African
    I couldn't care less, nobody in Italy care about Columbus and he's considered a bad person. Think about the movie with Benigni where they stop him from going to the americas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    I couldn't care less, nobody in Italy care about Columbus and he's considered a bad person. Think about the movie with Benigni where they stop him from going to the americas.
    Bad person , really?

    I always thought he was one of the best navigators of all times, although as governor of la Hispaniola island he didnt do a vey good job, to be honest.

    Wherever he is from, he is one of the best known people in the history of mankind

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