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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    I couldn't care less, nobody in Italy care about Columbus and he's considered a bad person. Think about the movie with Benigni where they stop him from going to the americas.
    Why is Columbus considered a bad person in Italy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidtab View Post
    His expedition was the first one arriving to America and returning to Eurasia saying loud and clear everyone and everywhere: "We have discovered something new".

    That´s the point, and everything else is only blablabla...
    Hmm not really, in the sense that he thought he had really reached Asia, specifically some islands close to Asia (that's why the natives have the name "Indian" despite not being from India) .
    But that said indeed we can attribute the discovery of America to him although he thought he had really reached the islands of Asia because he documented all this and came back with "proof" of his trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    The remains of Hernando Colon and Diego Colon have also been analyzed and there is a confidentiality contract according to which the results will be first given to the current Duke of Veragua, Cristobal Colon de Carvajal (who is not a direct male descendant, since the noble title has been transmited twice through the female line)

    25 different theories have been studied, the most accepted wordlwide is a Genoese origin. In Spain there are theories about a Catalan, Majorcan, Castilian (Guadalajara) and Galician origin as well as 3 Portuguese hypotheses, jewish, russian, croatian, english etc....

    They are going to keep the doubts until the end because they are making a game of thrones type series keeping alive certain posibilities until the final moment.

    Im not sure that the Ychr is realy decisive (unless os a typical Spanish lineage) but rather they will focus on the autosomal components
    Hopefully they also looks at some Genovese samples with the surname Colombo, since his real name is supposed to have been Cristoforo Colombo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Hopefully they also looks at some Genovese samples with the surname Colombo, since his real name is supposed to have been Cristoforo Colombo.

    For full disclosure, I win either way

    current Colombo surname in Italy by region


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    Do they have Cristobals own signature to compare with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    If finally it turns out that Colon is not Italian you will always have Scipio the African
    Scipio Africanus was not an explorer and received his name from his conquest of "Africa", essentially modern Tunisia.

    We can twist and turn but the fact is that the New World was named after an Italian, the Florentine Amerigo Vespucci. Columbus thought he had reached the Indies by a western route, for goodness sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Do they have Cristobals own signature to compare with?
    Of course, that is one of the main arguments of the "Galician theory" since Columbus signed using the initials of his Galician ancestors. Besides, he never wrote in Italian but in Castilian using Galician words and expressions. The reason for exhuming Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor is because he was first cousin (paternal line) of Pedro Alvarez de Sotomayor who is supposed (or one of his sons) to have used the nickname Cristobal Colon because he supported Juana la Beltraneja in the Castilian civil war between this lady and Queen Isabella (for this reason he invented the Genoese origin).

    If Mariño de Sotomayor's DNA matches that of Colon and his children, they will have solved the mistery

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    issue with columbus was his involvement in the spanish court ...........support the Queen and her Castilian group ( the larger group of the spanish court ) or the King and his Catalan/Aragonese followers ............since most of southern Italy at the time was under the Aragonese ( the King ) , he might have erred


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    Of course, that is one of the main arguments of the "Galician theory" since Columbus signed using the initials of his Galician ancestors. Besides, he never wrote in Italian but in Castilian using Galician words and expressions. The reason for exhuming Xoan Mariño de Sotomayor is because he was first cousin (paternal line) of Pedro Alvarez de Sotomayor who is supposed (or one of his sons) to have used the nickname Cristobal Colon because he supported Juana la Beltraneja in the Castilian civil war between this lady and Queen Isabella (for this reason he invented the Genoese origin).

    If Mariño de Sotomayor's DNA matches that of Colon and his children, they will have solved the mistery
    It is significant that no one protested at the court of Spain when in April 1501, in the feverish atmosphere of the great discovery, Nicolò Oderico, ambassador of the Genoese Republic, after praising the Catholic Sovereigns, went on to say that they "discovered with great expenditure hidden and inaccessible places under the command of Columbus, our fellow-citizen, and having tamed wild barbarians and unknown peoples, they educated them in religion, manners and laws". Furthermore, two diplomats from Venice — no great friend of Genoa, indeed, a jealous rival — added the appellation "Genoese" to Columbus's name: the first, Angelo Trevisan, in 1501,[nb 9] the second, Gasparo Contarini, in 1525.[nb 10] In 1498, Pedro de Ayala, Spanish ambassador to the English court, mentioned John Cabot, "the discoverer, another Genoese, like Columbus".[15] All these references were published, along with reproductions of some of the original documents, in the City of Genoa volume of 1931.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodilkas View Post
    At least for Europeans it was a discovery because we did not know that there were lands on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

    And I dont think the Indians knew that Europe existed either, so Columbus helped them to understand (discover) that there were other continents besides their own.

    And finally I dont think that Africans knew that America existed so Columbus helped you to learn a little bit of geography
    The North Africans and arabs were who helped us to gain the technology (Caravel), compass, and astrolab to even get to the Americas to begin with. But even then it was all by mistake. Columbus wasn't trying to get there... he was trying to get to India for the spices b/c the middle east was blocking land trade between asia and europe at the time.
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