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    Personally I hope the Pedro Scotto theory of a Genoese of Scottish descent moving to Portugal and then to Spain is correct. Simply to rile everyone up.

    Anyway, I do not know why it matters that much if Columbus was Italian or Spanish. Without his captains and his crews, who were almost entirely Spaniards, and the Spanish crown, none of “his” accomplishments would have been possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Both Ligurian and Catalan are Gallo-Romance languages: Ligurian being Gallo-Italic and Catalan being Occitano-Romance. The funny thing is that Columbus originally would have understood a Catalan better than a Florentine or a Portuguese.

    But anyway, Columbus almost always wrote in Castilian mixing it a bit with Portuguese.
    what are you trying to say

    L'Oc ( Occitan ) stretches from Italy to Spain in southern France .........it is a gallic-latin based language.............northern france has L'Oil , a gallic-frankish based language.

    ligurian and florentine or lucchese or even pisan are different from each other.

    Catalan with Aragonese where a trading empire , ruling southern Italy Sardinia and even having footholds in Greece under the Navarre banner ..............the Catalan/Aragon kingdom was always aligned with Venice.....having formed an alliance from 1398.

    Columbus being catalan or genovese , would have understood both languages .............less so, castilian, leonese, galician or Portuguese

    his parents where genovese ........Domenico Colombo, a Genoese wool worker and merchant, and Susanna Fontanarossa


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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    what are you trying to say

    L'Oc ( Occitan ) stretches from Italy to Spain in southern France .........it is a gallic-latin based language.............northern france has L'Oil , a gallic-frankish based language.

    ligurian and florentine or lucchese or even pisan are different from each other.

    Catalan with Aragonese where a trading empire , ruling southern Italy Sardinia and even having footholds in Greece under the Navarre banner ..............the Catalan/Aragon kingdom was always aligned with Venice.....having formed an alliance from 1398.

    Columbus being catalan or genovese , would have understood both languages .............less so, castilian, leonese, galician or Portuguese

    his parents where genovese ........Domenico Colombo, a Genoese wool worker and merchant, and Susanna Fontanarossa
    L'Oil is also from latin
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    where ever christoforo was born .............he would have been taught and spoke his mother tongue ..............his mother below was genovese

    When Susanna Fontanarossa was born from 10 January 1422 to 9 January 1423, in Quezzi, Genoa, Genova, Liguria, Italy, her father, Giacomo Fontanarossa, was 24 and her mother, Èpouse de Lacobi, was 19. She had at least 4 sons and 1 daughter with Domenico Colombo. She died in 1489, in Genova, Liguria, Italy, at the age of 67, and was buried in Genova, Liguria, Italy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chnodomar View Post
    Personally I hope the Pedro Scotto theory of a Genoese of Scottish descent moving to Portugal and then to Spain is correct. Simply to rile everyone up.

    Anyway, I do not know why it matters that much if Columbus was Italian or Spanish. Without his captains and his crews, who were almost entirely Spaniards, and the Spanish crown, none of “his” accomplishments would have been possible.
    Yeah, a lot is said about Colón and nothing about his crew, but we know the names of 87 people who accompanied him including the 39 who died at Fort Navidad in Hispaniola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyh View Post
    Some people think he's Jewish.

    I think he is italian though. Are we getting the DNA of Columbus himself?
    Yes Columbus himself and his two sons Diego and Hernando.

    Most people think he was italian, but I think there are going to be surprises. Jewish? No way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chnodomar View Post

    Anyway, I do not know why it matters that much if Columbus was Italian or Spanish. Without his captains and his crews, who were almost entirely Spaniards, and the Spanish crown, none of “his” accomplishments would have been possible.
    In Spain, the origin of Columbus has never been a preferential topic regarding the discovery and conquest of America, since Isabella put Columbus aside at the right time, which was right away.


    It is rather a modern issue that it has been questioned that he might not be Genoese which is the version we had always known, it is that we have been put the honey on our lips and now we must get the information however we can, because the delay in giving the information is very suspicious because the character of Columbus as I said before for us in spite of his feat does not have the transcendence that Isabel and Fernando and other Spanish conquerors and discoverers have but nevertheless Columbus in the United States due to the reference that he is for the ethnic minority of Italian origin that I believe is fully integrated in the United States and it should be something big for them as a minority of Italian origin that I believe is fully integrated in the United States. It must have been a great thing for them as a minority to be able to say to the majority that one of them had discovered America, so they would even have influenced the idea that Columbus is held in the United States, so how to tell all these people now that Columbus was not Italian, and for that reason I think they have stopped the publication of the results, making excuses until the public forgets, because really for us Spaniards the origin of Columbus has not been something transcendent but it is for other communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chnodomar View Post
    Personally I hope the Pedro Scotto theory of a Genoese of Scottish descent moving to Portugal and then to Spain is correct. Simply to rile everyone up.

    Anyway, I do not know why it matters that much if Columbus was Italian or Spanish. Without his captains and his crews, who were almost entirely Spaniards, and the Spanish crown, none of “his” accomplishments would have been possible.
    It reminds me of what happens with the first trip around the world where everyone mentions Magellan but they always skip over Elcano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hantrolugharsts View Post
    In Spain, the origin of Columbus has never been a preferential topic regarding the discovery and conquest of America, since Isabella put Columbus aside at the right time, which was right away.


    It is rather a modern issue that it has been questioned that he might not be Genoese which is the version we had always known, it is that we have been put the honey on our lips and now we must get the information however we can, because the delay in giving the information is very suspicious because the character of Columbus as I said before for us in spite of his feat does not have the transcendence that Isabel and Fernando and other Spanish conquerors and discoverers have but nevertheless Columbus in the United States due to the reference that he is for the ethnic minority of Italian origin that I believe is fully integrated in the United States and it should be something big for them as a minority of Italian origin that I believe is fully integrated in the United States. It must have been a great thing for them as a minority to be able to say to the majority that one of them had discovered America, so they would even have influenced the idea that Columbus is held in the United States, so how to tell all these people now that Columbus was not Italian, and for that reason I think they have stopped the publication of the results, making excuses until the public forgets, because really for us Spaniards the origin of Columbus has not been something transcendent but it is for other communities.
    I can guarantee you that the Columbus Day parade would be renamed to something like "Italian Heritage Day Parade" and life will go on. The mentions of Columbus by Italian Americans, outside of the name of the parade, are close to nil.
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    The same for us, the day of the Hispanidad, october 12, will continue to be celebrated, regardless of where Colon was born. It is not a subject that worries us but we are intrigued to know the truth. If i had to bet i would say he was italian, but who knows?

    If Colón finally turns out to be Galician, the Genoese will deny it and will continue to show Colombo's birthplace to tourists, while in Pontevedra they will promote Colon's tourism.

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