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    Question Mamluk-related ancestry

    Do you think consistently scoring Armenian Hemsheni, Dagestani, Chechen,Georgian, Iranian Mazandarani, on G25 or commercial tests, is a legitimate clue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Do you think consistently scoring Armenian Hemsheni, Dagestani, Chechen,Georgian, Iranian Mazandarani, on G25 or commercial tests, is a legitimate clue?
    I get this and Australian along with Papuan. On my autosomal test I scored one percent Papuan as well it's quiet strange

    I think it's a proxy for something in our North African ancestry

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    Wouldn’t Ottoman ancestry make more sense for a Tunisian?
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    Target: Drobbah
    Distance: 1.3922% / 0.01392203
    53.4	KEN_Pastoral_N
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    I get this and Australian along with Papuan. On my autosomal test I scored one percent Papuan as well it's quiet strange

    I think it's a proxy for something in our North African ancestry
    I also get Papuan (and occasionally SEA)on most test, but it is usually less than 1% unlike Caucasian which is usually arount 3%.


    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Wouldn’t Ottoman ancestry make more sense for a Tunisian?
    Well, my father and i, we never score Turkish. It could be related to my father's supposed egypto-sudanese side.
    A lot of ottoman rulers didnt have turkish ancestry btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    I also get Papuan (and occasionally SEA)on most test, but it is usually less than 1% unlike Caucasian which is usually arount 3%.



    Well, my father and i, we never score Turkish. It could be related to my father's supposed egypto-sudanese side.
    A lot of ottoman rulers didnt have turkish ancestry btw.
    The Mamluks were Kipchak Turks while others were from the Caucus tho.Do you get Circassian and Turkic ancestry to the exclusion of your mother? For example my mother and I seem to have very minor Turkish ancestry to the exclusion of my father/other Somali samples and even tried breaking it down between Anatolian Greek & Turkic to see if it's real.

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    Distance: 2.1274% / 0.02127420
    92.4	Cushitic
    6.2	Mahra
    1.4	Turkish_Northwest
    
    Target: Drobbah_FTDNA_scaled
    Distance: 1.6847% / 0.01684746
    93.0	Cushitic
    5.2	Mahra
    1.8	Turkish_Northwest
    Average Somali (from NE Somalia) and my father
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    Target: Drobbah_Father
    Distance: 1.7460% / 0.01745976
    97.4	Cushitic
    2.6	Mahra
    
    Target: Somali_Somalia
    Distance: 1.4616% / 0.01461624
    91.4	Cushitic
    8.6	Mahra
    Broke the Turkish down between Anatolian Greek and Medieval Turkic:
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    Target: Drobbah_FTDNA_scaled
    Distance: 1.6770% / 0.01676956
    93.0	Cushitic
    5.6	Mahra
    1.0	Turkic
    0.4	Greek_Cappadocia
    
    Target: Drobbah_Mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.1226% / 0.02122616
    92.2	Cushitic
    6.6	Mahra
    0.6	Greek_Cappadocia
    0.6	Turkic
    Code:
    Target: Drobbah
    Distance: 1.3922% / 0.01392203
    53.4	KEN_Pastoral_N
    34.6	KEN_Pastoral_IA
    7.4	Saudi
    4.6	Taforalt
    
    
    Target: Drobbah_FTDNA_scaled
    Distance: 2.8058% / 0.02805777
    94.8	South/Central_Somali
    5.2	Saudi

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    A lot of Nafricans have them, i'm mix but i have also these results with G25 and i think it's generally related to some east med/west asian ancestry in North Africans people, not necessarly from 'Uthmaniyyoun.
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    Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01636773 | R6P
    37.8 French_Chalosse
    17.4 BelgianA
    17.2 Berber_MAR_ERR
    12.9 Sicilian_East
    10.7 Polish_Kashubian
    4.0 Shetlandic
    Distance to closest:
    0.02643477 Spanish_CanariasLa_Palma



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    Distance: 0.0163% / 0.01634379 | R6P
    32.4 BelgianA
    28.8 French_Chalosse
    17.2 Berber_MAR_ERR
    10.0 Sicilian_East
    8.2 Polish_Kashubian
    3.4 Sardinian
    Distance to closest:
    0.02788822 Spanish_CanariasTenerife

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    wouldn't it make more sense to be from ottoman rule in the region as drobbah said
    Target: abceff_scaled
    Distance: 1.5592% / 0.01559153
    62.6 Berber
    19.2 Tunisian_Jew
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abceff View Post
    wouldn't it make more sense to be from ottoman rule in the region as drobbah said
    No because most North Africans score it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    No because most North Africans score it
    it can be a combination with Sardinian and a hint of Levantine for example to represent a component, an east med/west asian anatolian type population like as with the Imperial Romans for example, etc.
    The Ottoman genomic imprint is existing but very weak in North Afri populations, and the Caucasus is present among almost Maghrebis.
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    Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01636773 | R6P
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    Distance to closest:
    0.02643477 Spanish_CanariasLa_Palma



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    Distance: 0.0163% / 0.01634379 | R6P
    32.4 BelgianA
    28.8 French_Chalosse
    17.2 Berber_MAR_ERR
    10.0 Sicilian_East
    8.2 Polish_Kashubian
    3.4 Sardinian
    Distance to closest:
    0.02788822 Spanish_CanariasTenerife

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Do you think consistently scoring Armenian Hemsheni, Dagestani, Chechen,Georgian, Iranian Mazandarani, on G25 or commercial tests, is a legitimate clue?
    off course it is.
    Can you share your G25 ?

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