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    Iron Age-Medieval G25 Model V2

    This new version includes some new samples from West and Central Asia encompassing the time period between Iron Age to Medieval Age.
    Gandhara Iron Age-Historic

    Well sampled sites of Loebanr, Katelai, Udegram, Barikot and Saidu Sharif from Iron Age ProtoHistoric phase to Historic-Medieval Buddhist, Scytho-Parthian and Greek phases of occupation.
    South Asia Historic-Medieval

    1)Individuals from Roopkund Lake
    2)Outlier from Saidu Sharif Monastery: likely a monk from South India or Nalanda in the East.
    Turan Iron Age to Medieval

    1)Yaz Culture Turkmenistan Iron Age
    2)Rabat Uzbekistan Iron Age
    3)Abusanteer Iron Age
    4)Otyrar Antiquité
    5)Junmachanyilian HE2
    6)Ghaznavid Mosque and Raja Gira Fort Medieval Islamic Burials at Udegram.
    Western Iran Iron Age

    1)Hasanlu Iron Age
    2)Hajji Firuz Iron Age
    3)Ganj Dareh Historic
    Urartian Era burials from Armenian Highlands

    Byzantine era burials Aegean, Marmara and SE Turkey.

    Here is the output for the new model:
    Sample Fit Gandhara Iron Age-Historic Turan IA- Medieval Western Iran Iron Age-Historic Levant Iron Age Urartian Byzantine South Asia Medieval/Historic Mongolia Iron Age Tibetian/Himalayan Iron Age
    Average (Kashmiri Pakistan) 0.94 95.4 2.6 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
    Average (Kohistani) 0.78 89.4 7.2 0 0 0 0 0 3.4 0
    Average (Khatri) 0.98 85.8 14.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Tarkalani) 0.83 56.6 43.4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Kamboj) 0.71 51.6 37.6 0 0 0 0 10.8 0 0
    Average (Iranian Bandari) 2.88 45.4 0 41.8 12.8 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Balochi A) 3.99 37.4 39 23.6 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Tajik Ishkashim) 1.05 25.4 60.4 0 0 0 0 0 14.2 0
    Average (Ror) 1.90 20 51.2 0 0 0 0 28.8 0 0
    Average (Iranian Fars) 0.61 14.6 0 81.8 0 0 0 0 3.6 0
    Average (Iranian Mazandarani) 1.91 7.4 13.8 78.8 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Syrian) 1.43 0 0 37.2 43.4 0 19.4 0 0 0
    Average (Lebanese Druze) 0.84 0 0 15.6 20.6 0 63.8 0 0 0
    Average (Kurdish) 1.06 0 11 80.8 0 0 8.2 0 0 0
    Average (Iranian Zoroastrian) 0.80 0 25 75 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Bihar Brahmin Bhumihar) 2.69 0 39.8 0 0 0 0 58.4 1.8 0
    Average (Azeri) 0.66 0 0 53.8 0 39.4 0 0 6.8 0
    Average (Assyrian) 0.97 0 0 38.6 0 10 51.4 0 0 0
    Average (Armenian) 0.64 0 0 9.4 0 29.2 61.4 0 0 0
    Last edited by Kapisa; 12-04-2022 at 02:56 AM.
    Sample: Kapisa ► Kapisa scaled
    Fit: 1.8505
    Results: CG IVCp 42
    Bustan BA 31
    Mys MLBA 17
    Bustan BA o1 7
    Chokhopani 2700BP 3

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    Fascinating. Thanks for sharing the update. Here are my some of my family members on v2:

    Sample: Inayat-Ali (grandad)
    Fit: 2.44
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 58.8
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 21.2
    Byzantine 7.4
    Turan IA- Medieval 12.6


    Sample: DAD
    Fit: 2.83
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 63.2
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 20.2
    Byzantine 3.4
    Turan IA- Medieval 13.2


    Sample: me
    Fit: 1.80
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 67.8
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 19.2
    Byzantine 3.2
    Turan IA- Medieval 9.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Fascinating. Thanks for sharing the update. Here are my some of my family members on v2:

    Sample: Inayat-Ali (grandad)
    Fit: 2.44
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 58.8
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 21.2
    Byzantine 7.4
    Turan IA- Medieval 12.6


    Sample: DAD
    Fit: 2.83
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 63.2
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 20.2
    Byzantine 3.4
    Turan IA- Medieval 13.2


    Sample: me
    Fit: 1.80
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 67.8
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 19.2
    Byzantine 3.2
    Turan IA- Medieval 9.8
    Can you try with default penalty, without limit and by removing outliers?

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    Sure thing. This is what I get:

    Sample: Inayat-Ali (grandad)
    Fit: 1.66
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 70.4
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 23.4
    Byzantine 6.2


    Sample: DAD
    Fit: 2.15
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 78
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 17.6
    Byzantine 4.4


    Sample: me
    Fit: 1.19
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 83
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 15
    Levant Iron Age 2


    Any thoughts? It looks like our Turan vanishes entirely. Dad and Dada still get a bit of Byzantine. Mine goes away but instead I get Iron Age Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Sure thing. This is what I get:

    Sample: Inayat-Ali (grandad)
    Fit: 1.66
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 70.4
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 23.4
    Byzantine 6.2


    Sample: DAD
    Fit: 2.15
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 78
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 17.6
    Byzantine 4.4


    Sample: me
    Fit: 1.19
    Results: Gandhara Iron Age-Historic 83
    South Asia Medieval/Historic 15
    Levant Iron Age 2


    Any thoughts? It looks like our Turan vanishes entirely. Dad and Dada still get a bit of Byzantine. Mine goes away but instead I get Iron Age Levant.
    Turan should really be required for populations with excess Steppe MLBA related admixture not present in IA>Historic Gandhara.

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    Hmm that's interesting. Thanks.

    In terms of Byzantine, my family seem to score Trogir 'average/median'. Are these Greek like samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Hmm that's interesting. Thanks.

    In terms of Byzantine, my family seem to score Trogir 'average/median'. Are these Greek like samples?
    Try looking at Oracles, all the models with distances. below 2 are potentially interesting ones.
    Sample Fit Byzantine Anatolia Mongolia Iron Age Urartian Western Iran Iron Age-Historic
    Average (Greek Cappadocia) 0.87 73.4 0 13.6 13
    Average (Greek Crete) 1.24 100 0 0 0
    Average (Greek Izmir) 2.78 98 2 0 0
    Average (Greek Kos) 1.39 100 0 0 0
    Average (Greek Trabzon) 1.05 56 0 44 0
    Average (Roopkund B o) 1.54 66.4 0 3.4 30.2
    Average (Roopkund B ) 1.99 100 0 0 0
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    Sample Fit Byzantine Anatolia Turan IA- Medieval Mongolia Iron Age Western Iran Iron Age-Historic Urartian Levant Iron Age-Roman Gandhara Iron Age-Historic Kenya Iron Age Tibetian/Himalayan Iron Age
    Average (Turkish Southwest) 1.03 68.6 16.4 15 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Turkish Balikesir) 0.98 62.6 23.6 13.8 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Average (Syrian Jew) 1.15 60 0 0 17.4 0 22.6 0 0 0
    Average (Turkish Adana) 0.75 51.8 7.4 4.8 25.2 10.8 0 0 0 0
    Average (Turkish South) 0.82 47.6 20.8 11 0 20.6 0 0 0 0
    Average (Assyrian) 0.71 41.2 0 0 46.4 12.4 0 0 0 0
    Average (Syrian) 0.53 38.8 0 0 27.8 0 27.4 3.2 2.8 0
    Average (Azeri Turkey) 0.83 33 15.6 1.4 47.2 0.4 0 0 0 2.4
    Average (Kurdish Jew) 1.04 32 0 0 34.2 0 33.8 0 0 0
    Average (Azeri) 0.51 13.8 2.6 1.8 66 12.2 0 0 0 3.6
    Average (Kurdish) 0.76 3.2 9 0.4 83.6 0 0 3.8 0 0

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    Sample: Saidu Sharif H ► I6893
    Fit: 2.8017
    Results: Katelai IA 45
    Roopkund A 34.5
    Trogir Byz 20.5

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    With Limit set to 3:

    Sample Fit Gandhara Iron Age-Historic South Asia Medieval/Historic Turan IA- Medieval
    RamraghiaPG 1.96 61.8 23.4 14.8
    RamgarhiaHD 2.13 59.8 11.8 28.4
    Bhui 2.25 55.6 26 18.4
    Punjabi Tarkhan AVG 0.99 49.8 30.6 19.6
    Mvirdi 2.60 48.8 31.4 19.8
    DAD 2.78 43.6 35.8 20.6
    Mom 1.83 40.4 43.2 16.4
    Panesar 2.17 36.4 34 29.6
    Bilkhu 1.78 36 44.6 19.4
    MonkeyDLuffy 1.97 24.6 41.4 34
    Ramgarhia Desi 2.68 19.6 44.8 35.6

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