Icelandic R2-Y130994

[Tomasso29]

I have read before about R2 being linked with CHG, specificaly to their ancient north eurasian ancestry.I personaly think it is a possibility , the R south of the caucasus mutated into R2 , the one north of it into R1.
Maybe some R2 made it to Europe with EEF, that absorbed these chg lineages in central-east anatolia.
Pre-pottery groups in the levant did have some of this more northern ancestry.

Yea there are two scenarios that I personally favor. It either originated somewhere south of the Caucasus (This can include areas like east Anatolia and northwest Iran), or the other location would be South Central Asia where the BMAC civilizations existed.

The current ancient DNA data shows the oldest samples being in the Middle East, so it's very possible that the R ancestor crossed the Caucasus, and south of that R2 mutated.

Is impossible this samples sons adventurous arab merchant because is seems to in G25 his profile genetic North-European maybe R-Y130994 and L-BY106184 related a CHG or Yamnaya or EEF ?

Not an Arab merchant, but seeing how R2a was present in ancient Rome 1000+ prior to this sample, I would say whatever autosomal Middle Eastern roots that were there likely vanished by the time this Viking lived.

[Chatzianastasoglou]

How about these R2s? As an R2a originating in northwestern Anatolia Im very much interested in this haplogroup's origins. I have my results since 2008 and yet haven't had any 12/12 match at ftdna, just 11/12 or 10/12 from Armenia.

https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.co...471-2148-11-69

[capsian]

Yes that is what Pribislav thought too - "so we don't know the status of M123, Z36113, Y31991, and most importantly FT179548 and FT377116, to which the Udegram samples belong."

But it has a confirmed negative call on E-PF1962 level per ytree.com.

Yeah this subclade https://discover.familytreedna.com/y...-FT377116/tree belong under Y31991

[capsian]

Yea there are two scenarios that I personally favor. It either originated somewhere south of the Caucasus (This can include areas like east Anatolia and northwest Iran), or the other location would be South Central Asia where the BMAC civilizations existed.

The current ancient DNA data shows the oldest samples being in the Middle East, so it's very possible that the R ancestor crossed the Caucasus, and south of that R2 mutated.



Not an Arab merchant, but seeing how R2a was present in ancient Rome 1000+ prior to this sample, I would say whatever autosomal Middle Eastern roots that were there likely vanished by the time this Viking lived.

I said is is impossible this samples son adventurous arab merchant

[parasar]

Yeah this subclade https://discover.familytreedna.com/y...-FT377116/tree belong under Y31991

Yes FT377116 is under Y31991, but Rakhigarhi I2487 is not confirmed positive for M123, Z36113, Y31991, FT179548, FT377116

I2487 is P147+, P177+, M35+ and PF1962+

Plus the Rakhigarhi I2487 sample is confirmed negative for one SNP at the PF1962 level, which means it splits the PF1962 string and can't be positive for any of the current SNP's downstream of that string (https://discover.familytreedna.com/y...-CTS10298/tree)

See also Roopkund 15 https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-S12033/tree

[Tomasso29]

How about these R2s? As an R2a originating in northwestern Anatolia Im very much interested in this haplogroup's origins. I have my results since 2008 and yet haven't had any 12/12 match at ftdna, just 11/12 or 10/12 from Armenia.

https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.co...471-2148-11-69

You're FGC65155+ correct? Under the R2 YFull it shows a sample from Armenia and another one from Saudi Arabia that fall under your clade. But it seems like your main branch (R-Y106645) is indeed uncommon. The vast majority that fall under R2a tend to be in the other branch (R-Y3370). Under your branch I only see 4 in yfull, the two I mentioned and the other two are from Iran and China.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y82803/

As far as those STR results go, they're useless if you're only comparing 12.

I said is is impossible this samples son adventurous arab merchant

Yea I was just reiterating what you were saying, sorry for the confusion.

[Freb]

I have read before about R2 being linked with CHG, specificaly to their ancient north eurasian ancestry.I personaly think it is a possibility , the R south of the caucasus mutated into R2 , the one north of it into R1.
Maybe some R2 made it to Europe with EEF, that absorbed these chg lineages in central-east anatolia.
Pre-pottery groups in the levant did have some of this more northern ancestry.

I highly doubt that EEF absorbed any CHG. The higher possibility is propably an ancestral lineage of CHG (WHG-like). But it had to be pretty minor. And no ANE has been detected in EEFs as well to top it off.

[Chatzianastasoglou]

You're FGC65155+ correct? Under the R2 YFull it shows a sample from Armenia and another one from Saudi Arabia that fall under your clade. But it seems like your main branch (R-Y106645) is indeed uncommon. The vast majority that fall under R2a tend to be in the other branch (R-Y3370). Under your branch I only see 4 in yfull, the two I mentioned and the other two are from Iran and China.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y82803/

As far as those STR results go, they're useless if you're only comparing 12.



Yea I was just reiterating what you were saying, sorry for the confusion.

The Iranian seems to be Kurd? If you click on it it shows „Kordestan“. The Chinese is a big surprise though isn’t it?

[Platonitzsche]

I highly doubt that EEF absorbed any CHG. The higher possibility is propably an ancestral lineage of CHG (WHG-like). But it had to be pretty minor. And no ANE has been detected in EEFs as well to top it off.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC61612*/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z36829/

Neolithic european farmers did have significant J2a ydna, wich aparently originated among CHG groups.
So I don´t thing it is unlikely other eastern lineages were present among then, such as R2.
If in the autossomal analyses we can´t detect ANE dna that doesn´t preclude the possibility of some monoparental markers among EEF as coming previously from ANE bearing groups, such as it was the case for CHG.

For example, i have seem some brasilians with a native american mtdna , but no detectable native american autossomal dna.
Also you won´t find any detectable EHG ancestry in R1b bearing west africans around lake chad.