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    R1b Tree and All Subclades Project update

    The R1b (R-M343) tree has 25,000 Y SNP confirmed haplogroups, marked by 146,081 variants. The tree is showing more resolution as the variants per branch is only 5.8 now, down from 7.3 the last couple of years. R1b-M269 has 99% of all R1b's branches, or 24,727.

    There are over 300 surname family groups under R1b with at least 15 haplogroups related in the genealogical timeframe. At least six (6) have more than 50 SNP confirmed haplogroups.

    Growth in R1b haplogroups by year. 2022's increase was 25% over 2021.
    2018 7,900
    2019 11,500
    2020 15,000
    2021 20,000
    2022 25,000

    This includes 88,971 Y SNP tested descendants (individuals).

    R1b All Subclades Project has 30,187 members and there are about 100 subclade projects.

    The R1b Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) was born circa 17000 BC. He likely lived in Eastern Europe or Central Asia. The R1b-M269 MRCA was born about 4350 BC.

    The earliest ancient skeleton tested R1b is from Northeastern Italy at about 12000 BC of the far-flung Epigravattian Culture. Other early finds are:
    R1b-V1636, R1b-PF6323 and BY14355 have early finds in Neolithic Ukraine (5500-4000 BC)
    R1b-M269 was in Eastern Bulgaria at about 4500 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>Z2103 was in the Yamnaya Culture of Southern Russia at about 3200 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310 was in the Afansievo Culture of Mongolia at about 3100 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151 & L151>U106 were in the Early Corded Ware Culture of Czechia/Bohemia about 2900 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151>P312 must be about the age of U106 but has not been found until the Steppe Bell Beaker Cultures in France/Germany/Netherlands about 2500 BC

    The Egyptian Pharoah Tutankhamun (King Tut), 1341-1323 BC, was confirmed as R1b by FTDNA.
    Mongolian ruler Genghis Kahn, 1162-1227 AD, may be R1b. Members of the royal family were.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/about/results
    (Please join if you are R1b or R1b-M269 of any type.)
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/tree
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/story

    See any errors above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    The R1b (R-M343) tree has 25,000 Y SNP confirmed haplogroups, marked by 146,081 variants. The tree is showing more resolution as the variants per branch is only 5.8 now, down from 7.3 the last couple of years. R1b-M269 has 99% of all R1b's branches, or 24,727.

    There are over 300 surname family groups under R1b with at least 15 haplogroups related in the genealogical timeframe. At least six (6) have more than 50 SNP confirmed haplogroups.

    Growth in R1b haplogroups by year. 2022's increase was 25% over 2021.
    2018 7,900
    2019 11,500
    2020 15,000
    2021 20,000
    2022 25,000

    This includes 88,971 Y SNP tested descendants (individuals).

    R1b All Subclades Project has 30,187 members and there are about 100 subclade projects.

    The R1b Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) was born circa 17000 BC. He likely lived in Eastern Europe or Central Asia. The R1b-M269 MRCA was born about 4350 BC.

    The earliest ancient skeleton tested R1b is from Northeastern Italy at about 12000 BC of the far-flung Epigravattian Culture. Other early finds are:
    R1b-V1636, R1b-PF6323 and BY14355 have early finds in Neolithic Ukraine (5500-4000 BC)
    R1b-M269 was in Eastern Bulgaria at about 4500 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>Z2103 was in the Yamnaya Culture of Southern Russia at about 3200 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310 was in the Afansievo Culture of Mongolia at about 3100 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151 & L151>U106 were in the Early Corded Ware Culture of Czechia/Bohemia about 2900 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151>P312 must be about the age of U106 but has not been found until the Steppe Bell Beaker Cultures in France/Germany/Netherlands about 2500 BC

    The Egyptian Pharoah Tutankhamun (King Tut), 1341-1323 BC, was confirmed as R1b by FTDNA.
    Mongolian ruler Genghis Kahn, 1162-1227 AD, may be R1b. Members of the royal family were.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/about/results
    (Please join if you are R1b or R1b-M269 of any type.)
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/tree
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/story

    See any errors above?
    Could include the earliest Tarim mummies? IMHO that was a very interesting find.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster 1100 BC
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Field: R-U106
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    From FTDNA:

    Y-DNA haplogroup R-L754, also known as R1b1, has just been split.

    The split is based on the DNA test results of a Tajik man from a 2022 study. His DNA adds a new data point in the migration story of millions of men. A majority of men in Europe are descendants of these R1b1 genetic ancestors. Their Y-chromosome signature spread into Europe from Central Asia during the Bronze Age.
    The Tajik man is from the Sughd Province in the Republic of Tajikistan. Tajiks are a Persian-speaking Iranian ethnic group native to Central Asia. The new Y-DNA haplotree structure is R-L754 (3 SNPs) > R-L761 (17 SNPs). The split is estimated to have happened around 16,500 BCE.

    Reference: Tajik-7 from Zhabagin et al. 2022

    https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/10/1776
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    The R1b (R-M343) tree has 25,000 Y SNP confirmed haplogroups, marked by 146,081 variants. The tree is showing more resolution as the variants per branch is only 5.8 now, down from 7.3 the last couple of years. R1b-M269 has 99% of all R1b's branches, or 24,727.

    There are over 300 surname family groups under R1b with at least 15 haplogroups related in the genealogical timeframe. At least six (6) have more than 50 SNP confirmed haplogroups.

    Growth in R1b haplogroups by year. 2022's increase was 25% over 2021.
    2018 7,900
    2019 11,500
    2020 15,000
    2021 20,000
    2022 25,000

    This includes 88,971 Y SNP tested descendants (individuals).

    R1b All Subclades Project has 30,187 members and there are about 100 subclade projects.

    The R1b Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) was born circa 17000 BC. He likely lived in Eastern Europe or Central Asia. The R1b-M269 MRCA was born about 4350 BC.

    The earliest ancient skeleton tested R1b is from Northeastern Italy at about 12000 BC of the far-flung Epigravattian Culture. Other early finds are:
    R1b-V1636, R1b-PF6323 and BY14355 have early finds in Neolithic Ukraine (5500-4000 BC)
    R1b-M269 was in Eastern Bulgaria at about 4500 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>Z2103 was in the Yamnaya Culture of Southern Russia at about 3200 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310 was in the Afansievo Culture of Mongolia at about 3100 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151 & L151>U106 were in the Early Corded Ware Culture of Czechia/Bohemia about 2900 BC
    R1b-M269>L23>L51>P310>L151>P312 must be about the age of U106 but has not been found until the Steppe Bell Beaker Cultures in France/Germany/Netherlands about 2500 BC

    The Egyptian Pharoah Tutankhamun (King Tut), 1341-1323 BC, was confirmed as R1b by FTDNA.
    Mongolian ruler Genghis Kahn, 1162-1227 AD, may be R1b. Members of the royal family were.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/about/results
    (Please join if you are R1b or R1b-M269 of any type.)
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/tree
    https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M343/story

    See any errors above?
    Not an error per se, but worth noting that when "P312" is found around 2500 BCE, it has already fragmented into subclades of subclades of P312. It's not merely P312*
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Not an error per se, but worth noting that when "P312" is found around 2500 BCE, it has already fragmented into subclades of subclades of P312. It's not merely P312*
    That's exactly why I didn't use the asterisk (*) notation in what you quoted from me. I used R1b-P312. I did not mean R1b-P312*. I am not R1b-P312*, not even close, but consider myself of the R1b-P312 haplogroup.

    Haplogroups are nested because they represent the branching on a tree. Haplogroup R1b-L21 is a haplogroup, but all members of R1b-L21 are also members of R1b-P312.

    EDIT: sorry if I am little sharp but I do assume this forum has somewhat knowledgeable folks and I'm pretty clear about these things on the R1b.YDNA FB group.
    Last edited by TigerMW; 01-25-2023 at 05:20 AM.

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