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  1. #61
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    My ancestors with the surname Ankushev have been living in Siberia since 1629.
    I did a Big-Y analysis at FTDNA and received a subclad R1b-U152-Z49-S8172.
    In the FTDNA R1b-U152 project, I have 12 matches with S8172, mainly from Germany and England, 1 person from Norway, 1 from Poland.
    I made a map of the subclad Z49 and noticed that it coincides with the distribution of the haplogroups R1b-U106 and I1.


    There is very little R1b in Russia and there is only 1 R1b-Z49 from Vyatka, its ancestors have been living there since the 17th century.
    I assume that the origin of Z49 in Russia is from the Vikings-Varyags of the 8-10 centuries. But there are doubts, since they write everywhere that R1b-U152 belongs to the Hallstatt culture of the Gauls and Italics.

    I uploaded my data to YFUll and to YTREE.net.
    My number is FTNA IN30992, YFull YF16019

    I ask you to express your opinion on how my ancestors could get to Russia. Were they Scandinavians or Continental Germans or maybe Celts?

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    I know your case because I've been studying it for a long time and I had foreseen your membership in S8172. As I have already reported on the facebook page in Italian dedicated to R1b-U152, in my opinion your genetic line S8172 is to be related to the gothic populations.


    Quote Originally Posted by serckesh View Post
    My ancestors with the surname Ankushev have been living in Siberia since 1629.
    I did a Big-Y analysis at FTDNA and received a subclad R1b-U152-Z49-S8172.
    In the FTDNA R1b-U152 project, I have 12 matches with S8172, mainly from Germany and England, 1 person from Norway, 1 from Poland.
    I made a map of the subclad Z49 and noticed that it coincides with the distribution of the haplogroups R1b-U106 and I1.


    There is very little R1b in Russia and there is only 1 R1b-Z49 from Vyatka, its ancestors have been living there since the 17th century.
    I assume that the origin of Z49 in Russia is from the Vikings-Varyags of the 8-10 centuries. But there are doubts, since they write everywhere that R1b-U152 belongs to the Hallstatt culture of the Gauls and Italics.

    I uploaded my data to YFUll and to YTREE.net.
    My number is FTNA IN30992, YFull YF16019

    I ask you to express your opinion on how my ancestors could get to Russia. Were they Scandinavians or Continental Germans or maybe Celts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acque agitate View Post
    I know your case because I've been studying it for a long time and I had foreseen your membership in S8172. As I have already reported on the facebook page in Italian dedicated to R1b-U152, in my opinion your genetic line S8172 is to be related to the gothic populations.
    Thanks for your reply. It is very interesting.
    Could you share your reasons why you consider the origin of the S8172 to be Gothic for me. I know that the Goths lived in the 3-4th century on the Dnieper and some of their descendants could have stayed there. But in Ukraine there is no R-z49. And Siberia was first settled by immigrants from Novgorod, who had close ties with the Scandinavians, so I assumed that my ancestors could be from Scandinavia

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    I'm also collecting Z49+ results , from people who tested with 23andme.
    More precisely, they are all Z49>S8183>S22778>S20782+:
    https://bit.ly/YDNA-R-S20782
    On average, each 23andme account has 1K autosomal matches and using the "Search" field provided in the "DNA Relatives" page, it's possible to search for the R-S20782 paternal group among these matches.
    S20782 is being tested by chip V5 since Aug 2017.
    Even considering biases and approximations in the collected data, the following picture, based on more than 800 23andme users' feedback, is clear: there is a big present-day Z49+ component (S20782 in this case) South of the Alps.
    This is the thread for my R-S20782 project:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....h-Adriatic-sea
    Adriano

    S20782_190519.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by asquecco View Post
    I'm also collecting Z49+ results , from people who tested with 23andme.
    More precisely, they are all Z49>S8183>S22778>S20782+:
    https://bit.ly/YDNA-R-S20782
    On average, each 23andme account has 1K autosomal matches and using the "Search" field provided in the "DNA Relatives" page, it's possible to search for the R-S20782 paternal group among these matches.
    S20782 is being tested by chip V5 since Aug 2017.
    Even considering biases and approximations in the collected data, the following picture, based on more than 800 23andme users' feedback, is clear: there is a big present-day Z49+ component (S20782 in this case) South of the Alps.
    This is the thread for my R-S20782 project:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....h-Adriatic-sea
    Adriano

    S20782_190519.jpg
    Is there a list of 23andme SNPs tested below Z49? I'm curious if my father has any matches on 23andme below Z49?
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Is there a list of 23andme SNPs tested below Z49? I'm curious if my father has any matches on 23andme below Z49?
    I can only provide the list of the SNPs tested by 23andme under S8183. If I'm not mistaken, it should be like this:

    23andme_DS_S8183.jpg
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