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    H5a1 analysis of full mtDNA

    I analyzed all fully sequenced mtDNAs with the haplogroup H5a1:
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/...roup-h5a1.html
    FigTree_clustalw(H5a1 only).jpg

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    There are no subgroups included, like H5a1e? (Northern Finland)
    So what would you say about the migration of H5a1?

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    I am EF418607 (America) and have the 7691C mutation. I also found this mutation in a Coble sample from America. I am wondering how many samples have to show a particular mutation before a new sub-clade is formed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldon View Post
    I am EF418607 (America) and have the 7691C mutation. I also found this mutation in a Coble sample from America. I am wondering how many samples have to show a particular mutation before a new sub-clade is formed?
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    3 not closely related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaska View Post
    There are no subgroups included, like H5a1e? (Northern Finland)
    So what would you say about the migration of H5a1?
    H5a1e is included in the tree. Both samples from Finland belong to H1a1e [AY339431(Finland) Moilanen; AY339432(Finland) Moilanen].
    The migration of H5a1e is not clear; it is an independent branch with no overlapping SNPs with other H5a1 individuals.

    H5a1 itself is a subbranch of H5a, so to understand the initial migration of H5a1 we have to look at the "mother" branch H5a and the "sibling" branch "H5a2". Then, we can look into other related branches like H5b (the "uncle" branch) and H5 (the "grandfather" branch). I will do all of it in the next days.

    Edit:
    I updated my approach here:
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/...roup-h5_6.html
    and here:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...equenced-mtDNA
    Last edited by Palisto; 09-07-2012 at 03:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    3 not closely related.
    If you know you are not related within 350 years, is that "not closely related" in this context?

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    I am H5a1j and can trace my maternal line to Netherlands, c1650.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palisto View Post
    H5a1 itself is a subbranch of H5a, so to understand the initial migration of H5a1 we have to look at the "mother" branch H5a and the "sibling" branch "H5a2". Then, we can look into other related branches like H5b (the "uncle" branch) and H5 (the "grandfather" branch).
    Or one could say the sister, aunt and grandmother branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmental View Post
    I am H5a1j and can trace my maternal line to Netherlands, c1650.
    My father is also H5a1j. His maternal ancestry is not far from the Netherlands in East Anglia, England but we can only trace it back to the early 1800s. I wonder if the 16209C marker is recent and found in a localized region.

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    My marker is H5a1p, and I am finding it difficult to discover any information for this particular sub group. It is the "p" part that seems to be the problem. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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