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    New "Bristol Channel DNA" project at FTDNA with secondary focus on CTS7822

    It has taken a month for me to finally get approval for this project, but it is now up and live. I still need to clean up and refine the project language, but in a nutshell, I have begun a geographic Y-DNA project for the Counties adjoining the shores of the Bristol Channel in Great Brittan.

    The primary focus is to find family members belonging to my cluster's group of surnames to test and hopefully find matches for our trees, but all surnames are welcome and the secondary purpose is to determine how prevalent CTS7822 is among the population of the region.

    I hope to do some local advertizing in the region (as funds permit) to draw attention to the project and hopefully generate some more tests.

    The link to the project's public web site is HERE
    Suggestions for refining the language for the secondary purpose (CTS7822 under the goals tab) are most welcome.

    I can not guarantee that this project will take off, but I sure hope that it will.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geolocke View Post
    It has taken a month for me to finally get approval for this project, but it is now up and live. I still need to clean up and refine the project language, but in a nutshell, I have begun a geographic Y-DNA project for the Counties adjoining the shores of the Bristol Channel in Great Brittan.

    The primary focus is to find family members belonging to my cluster's group of surnames to test and hopefully find matches for our trees, but all surnames are welcome and the secondary purpose is to determine how prevalent CTS7822 is among the population of the region.

    I hope to do some local advertizing in the region (as funds permit) to draw attention to the project and hopefully generate some more tests.

    The link to the project's public web site is HERE
    Suggestions for refining the language for the secondary purpose (CTS7822 under the goals tab) are most welcome.

    I can not guarantee that this project will take off, but I sure hope that it will.

    Cheers!
    you need to fix your mtdna x person...........Lucca is in NW tuscany, not in Venice
    most likely this person went to England during the Napoleonic wars as british ships patrolled the tuscan, toman and neapolitan coasts for a very long time..........I recall Nelson and lady Hamilton as part of this


    My Path = ( K-M9+, LT-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    Thanks Vettor, I though I had fixed that twice now. My ancestress came from Lucca, and her mother died in Lucca. at one time there had been thought that she had been born in Venice, but that was a false lead. Thanks for pointing out the error.
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    The project description seems a bit skewed, i.e. attempting to prove a theory about a specific subclade. As FTDNA projects go, isn't that a haplogroup project, rather than a geographical one?

    The Bristol Channel concept interests me, too, but for an entirely different haplogroup/subclade that's been tracking frequently to that geography. If that has any resonance with your project goals, I could fill in the blanks. You may glimpse our little CTS4065+, L484+ cluster (currently Group Bba) in the classic or colorized Y-DNA results, here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../default.aspx?

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    The project description seems a bit skewed, i.e. attempting to prove a theory about a specific subclade. As FTDNA projects go, isn't that a haplogroup project, rather than a geographical one?

    The Bristol Channel concept interests me, too, but for an entirely different haplogroup/subclade that's been tracking frequently to that geography. If that has any resonance with your project goals, I could fill in the blanks. You may glimpse our little CTS4065+, L484+ cluster (currently Group Bba) in the classic or colorized Y-DNA results, here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../default.aspx?
    Thanks for the comments razyn! Yeah, it's more of a fantasy than a theory and I should probably remove that from the description. I've see a lot of loose threads about CTS7822 that might make sense of its presence in GB if ancient mining was tossed into the mix, and that region does have Roman and Bronze age copper and Tin mines present, but in the end, it is still fantasy without some kind of hard evidence to go along.

    The project is more of a Hybrid between Geographic and SNP, than truly one or the other. There are several families that mine is closely related to (genetically speaking) at sometime in the past, probably before the age of surnames. Our leads all take us back to areas around the Bristol Channel and who knows what other family names might be related? When thinking about setting up this project, I wanted to focus on the area and people we (our families) are looking for, but I didn't want to make the requirements so restrictive that other folks would feel like they were not invited to join just because they don't exactly match the project's existing surnames. The fact that (so far) we're all CTS7822 just adds to the interest for us.

    So, the project is first and foremost about trying to generate Y-DNA tests for our Surnames (and others) in that general region to see if we can tie our families together -or- better define the time back to our MRCA. The fact that we also happen to be CTS7822 means that there is also a possibility of determining how widespread this SNP is in this region by the gathering of more tests from this area (ie. is this a small cluster or a regional cluster).

    Whether that kind of data would be useful to anyone remains to be seen depending on results gathered.

    Thanks again for the critique. I am trying to clean up the page to make it clearer and cleaner and your comments are of great help. -geo
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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    The Bristol Channel concept interests me, too, but for an entirely different haplogroup/subclade that's been tracking frequently to that geography. If that has any resonance with your project goals, I could fill in the blanks.
    Razyn, I would like to hear more about your interest in the Bristol Channel. Would that be suitable in this forum or another?
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    It's just what I said in post #4, but I could elaborate. It's geographically similar to your situation, but a very different SNP, within the old "North/south cluster" of P312 (which is now known to be under DF27, Z274, Z195/6, Z220, Z295). My subclade is also CTS4065+, and L484+ under that. Within my subclade, all but two of the seven surnames have proven, or highly likely, Bristol Channel MDKAs: Hall of Henbury, Gloucestershire; Hulin of St. Briavels, Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire; Butler of Frome, Somerset (up a river that flows to the Severn via Bristol, astride the county line); Brown of Inkburrow, Worcestershire (and possibly a Hall relative himself). That county is not on your list, but the Severn flows southward from it. Reno is from Limoges, and Richert from near Gdansk. One member of our cluster is named Dyer, and we haven't yet been able to get any ancestral data (or other communication) from him. Other surnames that may be seen in the project (or via YSearch matching of our many STR off-modals) are known aliases, NPE cousins, adoptees, etc.

    All of the tested members of our subclade, so far, are from the USA (Reno, by way of Montreal) -- except Butler, an Australian.
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    This link should reveal a somewhat similar conversation, elsewhere, that took place in Feb. and March of 2013:

    http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=636459.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geolocke View Post
    Razyn, I would like to hear more about your interest in the Bristol Channel. Would that be suitable in this forum or another?
    I have reason to believe that my paternal ancestors lived somewhere near the Bristol Channel, perhaps in Herefordshire or in Shropshire (if not one of the English counties that share a border with Welsh counties), before their descendants settled in the seventeenth century in Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

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    Not to veer too far from what actually interests the originator of this thread (i.e. CTS7822); but I've been meaning to call someone's attention to an interesting publication I discovered while visiting my brother a couple of weeks ago. Got home and ordered my own (used, paperback) copy from Amazon, and it has arrived, so now I can cite it properly. The Counties of Britain: a Tudor Atlas by John Speed. Hardback edition was 1988, paperback 1995; facsimiles of large (two folio pages) colored maps, from a clean copy in the British Library. Its original date was 1616, and much of the content was copied from other atlases published ten or twenty years earlier. Anyway -- for people with early colonial American lines, it's an excellent picture of the England or Wales from which they emigrated. Sketchy coverage also of Ireland, almost none of Scotland. But for the Bristol Channel counties, specifically, it's just great.

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