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  1. #1
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    New 23andMe British and Irish Genetic Groups

    Hi all,

    23andMe have released a new feature called 'Genetic Groups', they appear to be focused along the same lines as the Genetic Communities that AncestryDNA has. At the moment, they have released new communities for the UK and Ireland and the Iberian Peninsula, see further detail here:
    https://blog.23andme.com/articles/23...irish-ancestry

    I have just received my new Genetic Groups. See below:



    I have:

    1. Central Ireland and Northern Ireland - This seems to be essentially, Ulster.
    2. Ireland.
    3. North East England - County Durham and Northumberland.
    4. Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    These align quite closely with the GC's I have in MyHeritage, less so with the AncestryDNA. I do not have the Scottish Lowlands here.

    I'm slightly confused about the North East England community, I don't have any known ancestry from that region. I am not sure if that is down to immigration or something.
    Last edited by Nqp15hhu; 03-16-2023 at 07:04 PM.

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    Per my family tree, my ancestry is 1/4 central England, 1/4 Cornwall, 1/4 Yorkshire/East Midlands, and the rest a mix of East Anglia, Kent, Sussex, Buckinghamshire.

    There are my new results - seems to correlate fairly well with my written ancestry:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    I'm slightly confused about the North East England community, I don't have any known ancestry from that region. I am not sure if that is down to immigration or something.
    Hmm, yeah it's likely that it is due to Irish immigration to the North East which was definitely plentiful throughout the last 200 years. The close proximity to Scotland could also have an effect

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    I have Southwest England as a Highly Likely Match; a great-great-great-grandmother, Louisa Wilkins Colvin, was born in Trowbridge, Wiltshire. I also have a great-grandfather from Virginia, where many West Country Cavaliers settled.

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    Here's mine (my brother isn't on the latest chip, so he doesn't have this update) -

    England (Highly Likely Match)
    Lancashire and West Yorkshire (Highly Likely Match) - I'm from Lancashire and a large part of my ancestry comes from various parts of the historical county of Lancashire.
    West Lancashire and Merseyside (Highly Likely Match)
    West Midlands (Highly Likely Match) - I have a small amount of ancestry from this region. I think my Cheshire and Gloucestershire ancestors, on the border with this region, probably affect it too.

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    I'm sorry but I don't see how these look more refined than the previous recent ancestor locations? I feel like it looks more broad and general.
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see how these look more refined than the previous recent ancestor locations? I feel like it looks more broad and general.
    That's my feeling as well. How is the Genetic Group of "Ireland", as in the entire island, a refined result?

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    It looks like they’ve given me a new Genetic Group. Which is the same one Ancestry gives me. Other than that, everything looks the same.


    Attachment 54593

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    I don’t remember this but I could’ve missed it, too.

    Attachment 54595



    Edit: Apparently, they’re still rolling this out because they’ve added a new Genetic Group to my profile.

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    Scottish Lowlands and Southern Uplands of Scotland.

    You are connected through shared ancestors to people from the Lowlands and Southern Uplands of Scotland. Hundreds of years of migration between Scotland and Northern Ireland resulted in genetic connections that span the North Channel in the Irish Sea. Some of your ancestors may have lived in this area, and you may have relatives who still live here today.

    Commonly reported recent ancestor locations in this genetic group are: Dumfries and Galloway, Borders, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, and Ayrshire


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    Northern Ireland and the central lowlands of Scotland

    You are connected through shared ancestors to people from Northern Ireland and the central lowlands of Scotland, some of whom speak Lowland Scots—a language closely related to English with Scandinavian influence—or Irish Gaelic. Hundreds of years of migration between Scotland and Northern Ireland resulted in genetic connections that span the North Channel in the Irish Sea.

    Commonly reported recent ancestor locations in this genetic group are: Antrim, Londonderry, Down, Armagh, Dumfries and Galloway, Belfast, Edinburgh, Stirling, Ayrshire, Lanark, and Glasgow
    Last edited by JMcB; 03-17-2023 at 05:30 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42% English, 31.5% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): Britain & Ireland: 89.3% (51.5% English, 37.8% Scottish & Irish), N.W. Germanic: 7.8%, Europe South: 2.9% (Southern Italy & Sicily)
    BigY 700: I1-Z141 >F2642 >Y3649 >Y7198 (c.360 AD) >Y168300 (c.380 AD) >A13248 (c.860 AD) >A13252 (c.1050 AD) >FT81015 (c.1280 AD) >A13243 (c.1620 AD) >FT80854 (c.1700 AD) >FT80630 (1893 AD).

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    A little bit better. I'm also part Welsh but it isn't listed.

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