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Thread: McElrea discoveries and questions re: DF49

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    After further reflection on Flood's linking of DF49 to the Dumnonii (of Cornwall and Devon), I just don't see it. There isn't enough DF49 in the southwest to suggest there was ever a cluster there that have given birth to DF49-rich Fir Domnann. As a whole DF49 is hard to pin down (one of the reasons I've wondered if insular DF49 represents a separate branch that arrived later). If we were to identify any patterns at all and try to define an ancient population in which it lay, I would think the west coast, roughly from Wales up to Scotland would make the most likely candidates. If I was to narrow it down even more, I would suggest it was most common in "Yr Hen Ogledd" (the Old North) and is likely Brythonic. I can trace my own people to the Isle of Man ca. 1500. My closest SNP matches would be from Lancashire, Cumbria (I believe, given the surname in question) and Scotland (although the Scot in question believes his family came from elsewhere).

    It would be nice if the results from the Cramond bodies (possibly four from Gododdin and one from Strathclyde) would fill that picture in for us. My guess re: the movement of DF23 and M222 (and maybe DF49 itself) into Ireland is that it is either Brigantian or it is descended from one of the northern British war bands that seem to have been active in Ireland during the first centuries after Christ-- perhaps from Strathclyde or even Rheged.
    Last edited by David Mc; 05-14-2016 at 11:23 PM.

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    Hi DP did you ever end up testing for ZZ29 and ZZ30? Thomas Allen, Ronald Phillips and I all have a current terminal SNP of FGC34047.
    Here is the hierarchy on the Big Y tree that we've tested postive for

    ZZ29
    ZZ30 FGC34050
    Z17591 ZP69
    Z17592
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    Z17594
    Z17595
    Z17596
    Z17597
    Z17598
    Z17599
    Z17600
    Z17601
    Z17602
    Z17603
    Z17604
    Z17605
    Z17606
    Z17607
    Z17608
    Z17609
    Z17610
    5690607-A-G
    FGC34047
    FGC34048

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