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    Hello all,

    I am J1c3, my eldest mitochondrial ancestress is from Frankfurt Germany. In 2009 when I first got my results from 23andme my mtdna was assigned as J1a* which may have already been superceded by then. It turns out I am a perfect match for AY495214, which I understand comes from an American of European decent:

    1) J1c3(AY495214)

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3(AY495214):
    HVR2: 73G 228A 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5442C 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 12858T 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 15758G
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3(AY495214):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) 228A 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 185G 5442C 12858T 15758G ⇨ J1c3(AY495214)

    Perfect Match! Your results are an exact match to this haplogroup.
    Matches(30): 73G 185G 228A 263G 295T 462T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5442C 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 12858T 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 15758G 16069T 16126C
    http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap-new/

    I'd like to connect with other's interested in mtdna J and would especially like to find out more about J1c3.

    Here is a spreadsheet I started trying to track where the different subclades of J come from:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

    This is my favorite mtdna J subclade source:
    Supplemental Data Mitochondrial DNA Signals
    of Late Glacial Recolonization of Europe from Near Eastern Refugia
    http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/j...02042.mmc1.pdf

    This seems to be the latest phylogeny of J by J. J. (Jim) Logan that I know of:
    On the Structure and Age of Haplogroup JT ˗ A Phylogenetic Tour
    http://www.jogg.info/72/files/Logan.pdf

    I am most interested in exploring the finding of why J1c is 3 times as large as J1b and J1d combined - see page 6 of 27 of the phylogeny.

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    New result today after update to mtdna analysis tool:

    1) J1c3i

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3i:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5442C 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 15758G
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3i (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 5442C 15758G ⇨ J1c3i ⇨ 12858T

    Good Match! Your results also had extra markers for this haplogroup:
    Matches(28): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5442C 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 15758G 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(0): (185G)
    Extras(1): 12858T

    Here is the thread outlining the update by jlick:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...is-tool&p=2033
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    Another interesting study with implications for J1c subclades and J1c3 specifically:

    MtDNA analysis of global populations support that major population expansions began before Neolithic Time
    http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/1210...srep00745.html

    According to the median-joining network analysis, 15 star lineages were observed in Figure 4. Most of them (HV, H, H1, H3, J1c, T1, T2, U5a1, U5a, K1, V, W, U2'3'4'7'8'9) coalesced before 10 kya although 2 lineages (J1c3 and T2b) might expand in 10 kya. Except HV and U2'3'4'7'8'9, other lineages expanded about after LGM. A very distinct and major expansion in Figure 4 is the H lineage, and subsequent expansions of haplogroups H1 and H3 were also important in Europe. About 44.5% of European samples in current analysis belonged to the H expansion, which happened right after LGM according to our calculation (Table S3).
    The population expansion began ~ 13 kya might correlate to lineages H1, H3, J1c, J1c3, K1, T1, U5a1, V and W.
    So, I wonder if the reason that J1c is 3 times as large as J1b and J1d combined is due to it being part of the pre-neolithic expansion in Europe whereas J1b perhaps came during or after the neolithic expansion?
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    Just joined after a search led me to your postings, Little Bit. Thank you for your good up to date information. I have not been following these discussions recently. The subclades keep being reorganized, but when I checked my results again on FamilyTreeDNA, I am now classified J1c3g; my maternal line that traces back to the late 18th century on an island south of Tromso, Norway. While the J1c line in general seems to have come into Europe up the Danube into Germany, and there was quite a bit of back and forth between Germany and Scandinavia, my recent thoughts for how this maternal line got to Norway are as follows. I recently found out that the inhabitants of this particular area go back to a Viking stronghold that predates the Danish expansion into the Tromso area that I know included my ancestors. This young woman who was my ancestor was born in the Viking area and came to Tromso as a young woman and married one of my Danish ancestors. Given that so many of my exact matches are in the British Isles, and particularly Ireland, I would not be surprised if some Viking brought my maternal ancestor back to the north of Norway. They made a habit of that in populating Iceland, so such an origin would be consistent. Now to understand more about how this line ended up in the British Isles.

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    Interesting stuff. I wish we had a better grasp on where J1c and daughter subclades originated and range. I purchased the FMS test from FTDNA for me (on sale) and hope to learn more about my J1c3i. I'm curious if I will come up as a match to a particular individual as I currently am a perfect match for J1c3i(AY495214) using the mtdna analysis tool. AY495214 is evidently an American of European descent.
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    My wife and daughter are listed as J1c3, but unfortunately their results are only from 23andMe. For what it's worth, though, their earliest known ancestor in the mtDNA was born in Bavaria in about 1865 or thereabouts.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    23andme gives me 'just' J1c3 too. Run their MT raw data, unzipped, through this tool and see if they can be classified further:
    http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap-new/

    The Mtdna Phylotree is changed frequently but 23andme hasn't updated haplogroups since around 2010. I used to be classified as J1a*, once upon a time.

    Here's an interesting link which describes how maternal haplogroups are "born":
    http://dna-explained.com/2012/10/31/...oup-subclades/
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    Thanks, Little bit. If I remember correctly, my wife and daughter were also first classified as J1a*.

    I used the link you provided, and the "best match" proved to be J1c3c. "Extra" SNPs were also identified, so I presume that means there's some room for possible reclassification down the road.

    (As an aside, I might note that even my own haplogroup classification has changed at FTDNA. This is in spite of having had the FGS from the start. It's gone from being H1 to H1bg. Very small group so far -- actually only two in the samples at http://www.mtdnacommunity.org/human-...phylogeny.aspx, one of which is mine.)
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    Hello

    I just made a google search of my 23andme mtdna, and was directed to this place. I am maternal J1c3 aswell and I am born in Norway. My analysis looks like this:

    Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

    1) J1c3g

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3g:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 9755A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3g (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 9755A ⇨ J1c3g ⇨ 8383C

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(26): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 9755A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(1): 8383C
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    2) J1c3

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3 (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 8383C 9755A 13934T

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(24): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(3): 8383C 9755A 13934T
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3d

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3d:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 1811G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3d (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 1811G ⇨ J1c3d ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 1811A
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3b

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3b:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15367T 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3b (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 15367T ⇨ J1c3b ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 15367C
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3h

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3h:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8659G 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3h (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 8659G ⇨ J1c3h ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 8659A
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3a

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3a:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 9548A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3a (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 9548A ⇨ J1c3a ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 9548G
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3k

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3k:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 10497T 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3k (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 10497T ⇨ J1c3k ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 10497C
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A
    No-Calls(1): 462T


    3) J1c3e

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c3e:
    HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C 16390A

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3e (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 16390A ⇨ J1c3e ⇨ 8383C 9755A

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(25): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 13934T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A 16069T 16126C
    Mismatches(1): 16390G
    Flips(0): (185T)
    Extras(2): 8383C 9755A

    I must admit I am still learning, and that all of this is "greek" to me, but I understand that by trying to trace the specific "numbers" in my dna (like above) can help me find the exact rout of my ancestors aswell as others sharing the same genetic line

    Big hugs Malla
    Last edited by divinity2k; 04-24-2013 at 10:30 AM.

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    Of the J1c3's I've directed to the mtdna analysis tool, J1c3g is one of the more common results along with J1c3c. I've been agitating a long time for 23andme to ask new customers where their eldest mitochondrial ancestress and Y chromosome ancestors descend from, with no success so far. I just don't understand why 23andme is sitting on this goldmine of data and every new customer's first question is where do other's with their haplogroup come from?!

    Looking at FTDNA's J haplogroup project, J1c3g looks decidedly NW European with reports from Norway, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, and what appears to be Denmark. J1c3c appears to be more German. J1c3f is mostly colonials but one reporting from Norway. No J1c3i's...maybe I'll be the first?
    Last edited by Little bit; 04-26-2013 at 03:20 PM.
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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