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    YSEQ looks good...much cheaper than ftdna..but do they do autosomal testing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyshakelford View Post
    Interesting stuff, definitely makes sense for the upper echelons of the ezhava community to convert as they were probably already relatively wealthy at the time of conversion. Becoming christian afforded more tax breaks and greater social mobility so it seems like a logical choice.

    I had heard a long time back that the Manakalathil J2a-L534 had some Jewish priestly connections with the 'cohen model haplotype', is this still true? Maybe Thomas would know also since Manakalathil is the guy that runs the FTDNA project.

    I'm intrigued by the Kunnamkulam L3's since I had heard a long time back that another family named "kollenore" also from Thrissur tested with the same. L3 seems to be the dominant Y lineage among the knanaya whos ultimate origins are in Thrissur as well, so i'm curious if these L3's all came from a common source.
    I've sent Jacob an email, I'll share his response.

    Also I've collected two more Knanaya samples:


    Knanaya #30
    Population
    S-Indian 46.65
    Baloch 34.48
    Caucasian 8.83
    NE-Euro 0.31
    SE-Asian 0.95
    Siberian 1.76
    NE-Asian 0.44
    Papuan 0.94
    American 0.28
    Beringian 1.08
    Mediterranean 1.83
    SW-Asian 2.46
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Knanaya #31
    Population
    S-Indian 45.16
    Baloch 32.83
    Caucasian 10.16
    NE-Euro 2.55
    SE-Asian 1.64
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian 0.96
    Papuan 0.69
    American 1.61
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 0.42
    SW-Asian 3.92
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -
    Last edited by Thomas48; 11-07-2018 at 06:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas48 View Post
    I've sent Jacob an email, I'll share his response.

    Also I've collected two more Knanaya samples:


    Knanaya #30
    Population
    S-Indian 46.65
    Baloch 34.48
    Caucasian 8.83
    NE-Euro 0.31
    SE-Asian 0.95
    Siberian 1.76
    NE-Asian 0.44
    Papuan 0.94
    American 0.28
    Beringian 1.08
    Mediterranean 1.83
    SW-Asian 2.46
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Knanaya #31
    Population
    S-Indian 45.16
    Baloch 32.83
    Caucasian 10.16
    NE-Euro 2.55
    SE-Asian 1.64
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian 0.96
    Papuan 0.69
    American 1.61
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 0.42
    SW-Asian 3.92
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -
    the consistent elevated SW Asian and Caucasian (compared to NE Euro) is the clearest non-South Asian signal

    Also the sometimes complete lack of NE Euro suggests to me that Knanaya Christians (and Syrian Christians by extension) mingled with 1st Chera Tamilakam Dravidians and predate Nambudiris in Kerala

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    Here’s Jacob’s response:

    “Based on Ydna STR markers, our haplotype matches a Cohen group exactly on 12markers and even upto 19 /25 markers. This was the early days of genetic geneology and this was considered a very significant match and it was thought that we shared a paternal ancestor in less than 2000 years. of my STR matches of 150+ on 12 markers 95% of them are Jewish Cohen descent and only my known cousins ( 6 or seven of them) would be the exception However now Deep SNP's have been identified under walk the ydna project and then later under Big Y and on SNP's we match up to L26 and may be a couple of markers downstream, however we have diverged from them then on. However we still have a common ancestor somewhere may be 4-5000 years back. However seeing the STR matching we should be closer and we may still be awaiting for an SNP which is yet to be found.”

    Heres Knanaya 32:

    Population
    S-Indian 46.92
    Baloch 33.91
    Caucasian 9.03
    NE-Euro 0.93
    SE-Asian 0.96
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian 1.68
    Papuan 0.46
    American 0.48
    Beringian 0.80
    Mediterranean 2.36
    SW-Asian 2.47
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    An interesting elevated Mediterranean in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas48 View Post
    Here’s Jacob’s response:

    “Based on Ydna STR markers, our haplotype matches a Cohen group exactly on 12markers and even upto 19 /25 markers. This was the early days of genetic geneology and this was considered a very significant match and it was thought that we shared a paternal ancestor in less than 2000 years. of my STR matches of 150+ on 12 markers 95% of them are Jewish Cohen descent and only my known cousins ( 6 or seven of them) would be the exception However now Deep SNP's have been identified under walk the ydna project and then later under Big Y and on SNP's we match up to L26 and may be a couple of markers downstream, however we have diverged from them then on. However we still have a common ancestor somewhere may be 4-5000 years back. However seeing the STR matching we should be closer and we may still be awaiting for an SNP which is yet to be found.”
    Actually he belongs to L24+ L192.2+ FGC 30649+ L534+
    There are at least three major jewish subclades under L24 ,the main being under L254 branch and another one under L243 branch . There are few more small branches but it is insignificant . Under L192.2 which is around 7000 years old there are no Jews so far . Among the people confirmed under FGC30649 which is 4700 years as per yfull are 1 Kazakh , One Turk or Kurd from Dersim , One Talysh from Azerbaijan , One ossetian , One Armenian , One Georgian Laz , One Parsi from India and One Brahmin from South India .Few other Talysh ,Kurds and Kazakhs are presumed to be FGC 30649+ . His terminal SNP L534 is found in another srilankan Tamil . That is why I think it is a North Iranian/Central Asian subclades which migrated to South India probably along with Iranian farmers .
    To give a perspective to the timeline my own R1a- Y7 line before 4700 years ago was at Z93 stage whose descendants are now spread into a wide geographic area from British isles to Srilanka.

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    some information on Thiyya Y DNA- from the book written by dr n c shyamalan( north africa to north malabar) , he is manoj night shyamalan's father....his Y haplo is L-M20, and mitochondrial dna is H....of course some of the inferences he draws are weird to say the least!!!!....also this statement - " the genetic marker for the thiyya group in general is KLM9/M20".....The book is quite readable save for the inferences the author draws from his DNA results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    some information on Thiyya Y DNA- from the book written by dr n c shyamalan( north africa to north malabar) , he is manoj night shyamalan's father....his Y haplo is L-M20, and mitochondrial dna is H....of course some of the inferences he draws are weird to say the least!!!!....also this statement - " the genetic marker for the thiyya group in general is KLM9/M20".....The book is quite readable save for the inferences the author draws from his DNA results!
    L-M20, specifically L-M27 (not L1a2 L-M357) is likely a pre-Brahmin Dravidian Zagrosian agriculturalist haplogroup and is likely one of the major Thiyya/Ezhava haplogroups along with H1 and R2.

    L-M20 levels in modern Uttar Pradesh is quite low

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    Running all Kerala user samples using Pegasus latest calculator with Velamas and Paniyas for comparison


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Running all Kerala user samples using Pegasus latest calculator with Velamas and Paniyas for comparison

    You and vishankar with highest steppe as expected. Is there overlap between BMAC and excess West Eurasian? I’ve noticed the Knanaya average has noticeably higher BMAC according to this calc.

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