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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Knanay people might have been originally servants supplied by the Ay/Yadu kings & their offsprings with the Syrian/Arab merchants since we know there is mtDNA bottleneck of high U1 etc... Ancient times Kerala had vast sea trade at Pattanam carried out by these kings with foreign power. Slowly these trade quarters built by the king might have seen prosperity & over the time new class of people supporting this trade emerged.


    https://www.muzirisheritage.org/pattanam.php
    No need to put stock into conspiracy theories. From the data we’ve compiled here and the most likely origins based on history, Knanaya and other Syrian Christians in all likelihood are the descendants of Middle Eastern Christian merchants and the people they admixed with and converted who centered around the spice-trading city centers of Cranganore and Kollam. The people still use blended Syriac in their common Malayalam parlance and of course in their liturgies. Their culture , history, and now genetics all seem to suggest this most probable origin as the descendants of Middle Eastern merchants which is extremely probable when considering Kerala’s position as the leading world spice hub.

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    Sample of a Syrian Christian family who claim descent from the Mar Sapor/Proth Migration 9th Century:

    Family Finder:

    Central/South Asian 93%
    Middle Eastern: Asia Minor 4%

    Trace Results:

    East Central Africa < 1%
    Sephardic < 1%
    Oceania < 1%
    North and Central America < 1%
    West Middle East < 1%

    Y-DNA:
    H-M69

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    posting a kerala maniyani( yadava) lady's harappa score and oracles-

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 45.45
    2 Baloch 36.02
    3 Caucasian 7.33
    4 NE-Euro 2.50
    5 Mediterranean 2.18
    6 Beringian 1.29
    7 American 1.19
    8 Papuan 1.10
    9 SW-Asian 1.08


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 tn-brahmin_xing @ 3.807381
    2 maharashtrian_harappa @ 4.201227
    3 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 4.435697
    4 rajasthani_harappa @ 4.672824
    5 kerala-christian_harappa @ 4.674590
    6 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 4.793781
    7 goan_harappa @ 4.797945
    8 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 5.024075
    9 meghawal_reich @ 5.093552
    10 kerala_harappa @ 5.106095
    11 kerala-nair_harappa @ 5.665808
    12 gujarati_harappa @ 5.679139
    13 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 5.766735
    14 ap-brahmin_xing @ 6.115019
    15 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 6.508644
    16 up_harappa @ 6.723506
    17 gujarati-b_hapmap @ 6.785043
    18 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 6.934909
    19 up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 6.976820
    20 cochin-jew_behar @ 7.725198

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% hallaki_reich +50% punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.617840


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +25% gujarati-patel_harappa +25% hallaki_reich @ 1.991805


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich + kalash_hgdp @ 1.936872
    2 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 1.952001
    3 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.958261
    4 ap-hyderabad_harappa + cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.974807
    5 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.975180
    6 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 1.978163
    7 bene-israel-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + meena_metspalu + singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 1.990479
    8 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich @ 1.991805
    9 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + karnataka_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.998249
    10 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kerala_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.999976
    11 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 2.007636
    12 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kerala-christian_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 2.015070
    13 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kurumba_metspalu @ 2.028135
    14 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + kashmiri_harappa @ 2.030125
    15 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 2.032901
    16 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kurumba_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.040113
    17 bene-israel-jew_behar + goan_harappa + gujarati_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa @ 2.046207
    18 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 2.046392
    19 gujarati-muslim_harappa + hallaki_reich + punjabi-arain_xing + velama_reich @ 2.047335
    20 gujarati-muslim_harappa + kerala_harappa + meena_metspalu + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 2.049186

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    the maniyanis ( like most other castes) have a tradition of migration from the north...and they are concentrated in northern malabar and kasargod...and considered as a non nambiar variety nair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    posting a kerala maniyani( yadava) lady's harappa score and oracles-

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 45.45
    2 Baloch 36.02
    3 Caucasian 7.33
    4 NE-Euro 2.50
    5 Mediterranean 2.18
    6 Beringian 1.29
    7 American 1.19
    8 Papuan 1.10
    9 SW-Asian 1.08


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 tn-brahmin_xing @ 3.807381
    2 maharashtrian_harappa @ 4.201227
    3 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 4.435697
    4 rajasthani_harappa @ 4.672824
    5 kerala-christian_harappa @ 4.674590
    6 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 4.793781
    7 goan_harappa @ 4.797945
    8 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 5.024075
    9 meghawal_reich @ 5.093552
    10 kerala_harappa @ 5.106095
    11 kerala-nair_harappa @ 5.665808
    12 gujarati_harappa @ 5.679139
    13 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 5.766735
    14 ap-brahmin_xing @ 6.115019
    15 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 6.508644
    16 up_harappa @ 6.723506
    17 gujarati-b_hapmap @ 6.785043
    18 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 6.934909
    19 up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 6.976820
    20 cochin-jew_behar @ 7.725198

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% hallaki_reich +50% punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.617840


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +25% gujarati-patel_harappa +25% hallaki_reich @ 1.991805


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich + kalash_hgdp @ 1.936872
    2 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 1.952001
    3 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.958261
    4 ap-hyderabad_harappa + cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.974807
    5 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.975180
    6 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 1.978163
    7 bene-israel-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + meena_metspalu + singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 1.990479
    8 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + hallaki_reich @ 1.991805
    9 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + karnataka_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.998249
    10 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kerala_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.999976
    11 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 2.007636
    12 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kerala-christian_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 2.015070
    13 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kurumba_metspalu @ 2.028135
    14 cochin-jew_behar + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka_harappa + kashmiri_harappa @ 2.030125
    15 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 2.032901
    16 cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kurumba_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.040113
    17 bene-israel-jew_behar + goan_harappa + gujarati_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa @ 2.046207
    18 gujarati-muslim_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 2.046392
    19 gujarati-muslim_harappa + hallaki_reich + punjabi-arain_xing + velama_reich @ 2.047335
    20 gujarati-muslim_harappa + kerala_harappa + meena_metspalu + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 2.049186
    Looks real mix
    ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + karnataka_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.998249
    cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kerala_harappa + meena_metspalu @ 1.999976
    cochin-jew_behar + goan_harappa + kurumba_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.040113
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    do these oracles indicate that the population ( 4 components ) have gone to creating the index population..??...
    The Maniyani are said to be migrants from Sourashtra ( as the Vaniya ) as well as Gollas from AP and Karnataka...so would not be surprised....and also they intermarry with Nairs!.
    This lady has 5th cousins on ft dna - Nambiars, Poduvals and also a slighlty more distant Thiyya sample!

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    now my 2nd Bunt SAMPLE)))-

    SHETTY male from mangalore-


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 51.55
    2 Baloch 37.88
    3 NE-Euro 3.42
    4 Caucasian 2.02
    5 Mediterranean 1.62
    6 Siberian 1.34
    7 Papuan 1.00


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 3.781574
    2 kurmi_metspalu @ 3.996059
    3 meghawal_metspalu @ 4.704327
    4 dharkar_metspalu @ 4.790303
    5 ap-brahmin_xing @ 4.901215
    6 gujarati-a_1000genomes @ 4.911925
    7 kerala-nair_harappa @ 5.130502
    8 ap-reddy_harappa @ 5.207832
    9 tharu_metspalu @ 5.483655
    10 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 5.487324
    11 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 5.542544
    12 lambadi_metspalu @ 5.608017
    13 gujarati-a_hapmap @ 5.640445
    14 goan_harappa @ 5.869544
    15 rajasthani_harappa @ 5.950861
    16 karnataka_harappa @ 6.074136
    17 tn-brahmin_xing @ 6.276835
    18 kanjar_metspalu @ 6.321253
    19 gujarati-patel_harappa @ 6.344362
    20 up_harappa @ 6.355569

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% gujarati-a_hapmap +50% up_harappa @ 1.901868


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% gujarati-patel_harappa +25% sourastrian_harappa +25% up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.323144


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
    1 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-patel_harappa + sourastrian_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.319748
    2 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + sourastrian_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.323144
    3 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-patel_harappa + sourastrian_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.356322
    4 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + meghawal_reich + srivastava_reich @ 1.392654
    5 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + sourastrian_harappa + vaish_reich @ 1.402748
    6 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-patel_harappa + meghawal_reich + sourastrian_harappa @ 1.460165
    7 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + maharashtrian_harappa + srivastava_reich @ 1.471080
    8 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-a_hapmap + sourastrian_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.475501
    9 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-b_hapmap + south-african-indian_harappa @ 1.490929
    10 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-patel_harappa + sourastrian_harappa + vaish_reich @ 1.495896
    11 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + karnataka-brahmin_harappa + srivastava_reich @ 1.501004
    12 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-a_hapmap + sourastrian_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.509784
    13 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + srivastava_reich + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.517528
    14 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + srivastava_reich + tn-brahmin_xing @ 1.519715
    15 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-patel_harappa + meghawal_reich + sourastrian_harappa @ 1.527393
    16 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + sinhalese_harappa + up-brahmin_harappa @ 1.537613
    17 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + meghawal_metspalu + vaish_reich @ 1.540713
    18 gujarati-patel_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + meghawal_reich + sourastrian_harappa @ 1.549298
    19 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-b_hapmap + south-african-indian_harappa @ 1.551297
    20 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-b_hapmap + south-african-indian_harappa @ 1.552526

    Done.

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    He gets kerala nair 7th on oracle....seems very similar to many of the nairs i have posted!

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    And now i have a kerala nair( Pillai) from Kollam....

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 48.91
    2 Baloch 37.70
    3 Caucasian 6.34
    4 NE-Euro 3.20
    5 SW-Asian 1.37


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 goan_harappa @ 2.985134
    2 tn-brahmin_xing @ 3.159017
    3 kerala-nair_harappa @ 3.397125
    4 rajasthani_harappa @ 3.421621
    5 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 3.438341
    6 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 3.550660
    7 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 3.845390
    8 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 3.971873
    9 kerala-christian_harappa @ 4.181257
    10 ap-brahmin_xing @ 4.692429
    11 maharashtrian_harappa @ 4.721082
    12 meghawal_reich @ 4.946966
    13 meghawal_metspalu @ 5.326735
    14 gujarati_harappa @ 5.331937
    15 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 5.686673
    16 kurmi_metspalu @ 6.057458
    17 up_harappa @ 6.330217
    18 kerala_harappa @ 6.838670
    19 gujarati-b_hapmap @ 6.936471
    20 lambadi_metspalu @ 6.989666

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% goan_harappa +50% kerala-christian_harappa @ 2.259869


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% meghawal_metspalu +25% punjabi-arain_xing +25% velama_reich @ 1.716817


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
    1 gujarati-a_1000genomes + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich + velama_reich @ 1.247483
    2 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich + velama_reich @ 1.349086
    3 gujarati-a_1000genomes + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_metspalu + velama_reich @ 1.378496
    4 gujarati-a_hapmap + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich + velama_reich @ 1.380813
    5 pathan_hgdp + velama_metspalu + velama_reich + velama_reich @ 1.392214
    6 sindhi_harappa + velama_metspalu + velama_metspalu + velama_reich @ 1.401263
    7 gujarati-a_hapmap + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich + velama_reich @ 1.402167
    8 kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich + velama_metspalu + velama_metspalu @ 1.408037
    9 sindhi_harappa + velama_metspalu + velama_reich + velama_reich @ 1.418933
    10 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + velama_reich @ 1.422631
    11 gujarati-a_hapmap + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + velama_reich @ 1.436714
    12 pathan_hgdp + velama_metspalu + velama_metspalu + velama_reich @ 1.438045
    13 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kurumba_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + velama_reich @ 1.439036
    14 gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich + velama_reich @ 1.447986
    15 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + velama_metspalu @ 1.460144
    16 gujarati-a_hapmap + kurumba_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + velama_reich @ 1.466648
    17 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + velama_reich + vysya_reich @ 1.470437
    18 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich + velama_metspalu @ 1.479263
    19 goan_harappa + punjabi_harappa + velama_reich + velama_reich @ 1.480122
    20 goan_harappa + sindhi_harappa + velama_reich + vysya_reich @ 1.494949

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