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    Origin of E ?

    Is it is Asia or Africa? Some say it is in Asia but considering the fact that E is so widespread in Africa unlike in Asia, I pretty much doubt it. What are your thoughts based on recent scientific papers?

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    where DE was and DE* men were everywhere inbetween west africa and Jungle South(East)-Asia .

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    E must had been developed at Levant I think. whole african continent maybe was still A00 in west Africa and A , B haplogroups until 35,000y BP or so.

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    E may be one of those uniparental markers that's associated with the dispersal of the "Basal Eurasian" component. It's possible that E originated outside of Africa, but given its diversity in Africa, I doubt that it did. Even if it did, these E carriers in all likelihood probably still resembled the Africans they branched off from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru View Post
    E may be one of those uniparental markers that's associated with the dispersal of the "Basal Eurasian" component. It's possible that E originated outside of Africa, but given its diversity in Africa, I doubt that it did. Even if it did, these E carriers in all likelihood probably still resembled the Africans they branched off from.
    Diversity of E in African can prove this haplogroup has been developing in Africa since dozens of thousand years, but this doesn't prove the first bearer of the basal mutation of E lived in Africa, but if he was not, the E branches were obliged to coame back into Africa, maybe due to a great droughness in Near East and Arabian Peninsula in the first pleniglacial (75,000-60,000BP) or even sooner.

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    I think that it originated in Asia, somewhere between Anatolia and the Arabian Peninsula. The frequency of the E* paragroup is highest in Saudi Arabia (1.3%; Abu Amero et al. 2009 http://www.biomedcentral.com/content...2156-10-59.pdf). There's also 1.3% of E*(xM33,M35,M2) in Antalya (Serdar et al. 2009 http://www.rjlm.ro/doc/08-y-snphaplo...population.pdf) and in Lebanon and Syria. It could be either E-M96*, E-P2* or E-M215*.

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    I don't know too much about E but this looks interesting:
    Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism

    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...hg201441a.html

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    To be removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isidro View Post
    I don't know too much about E but this looks interesting:
    Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism

    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...hg201441a.html
    Original paper because it is due to 2 African scholars :one Soudanese and one Erythrean with detailed analysis I cannot judge but why do they write

    "Most Y-chromosome haplogroup diversity in Africa, however, is present within macrohaplogroup E that seem to have appeared 21 000–32 000 YBP somewhere between the Red Sea and Lake Chad."

    - "Macrohaplogroup E" is made up of the unique but enormous haplogroup E which represents 80 to 90% of the whole population of Africa plus some overflowings in Asia, Europe and colonial America.

    - "somewhere between the Red Sea and Lake Chad" : This is possible, although discussed for a birth of E in South West Asia, see some above posts.

    - "that seem to have appeared 21 000–32 000 YBP" : Rare are those who favour a so late datation. Generally the lowest datations of hg E are twice older. Only the lowest datations of North-African E1b1b1-M35.1 and its main sub-branchs like E-M123, E_M78, E-M81, .... are in this datation range.

    Addendum : Or I misunderstood and it is "Most Y-chromosome haplogroup diversity" which dates from 21 000–32 000 YBP
    Last edited by palamede; 11-15-2014 at 09:51 AM. Reason: Addendum

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    I have several objections.
    1) Haplogroup E seems to have appeared more than 60 KYBP
    2) Haplogroup E more related to Niger-Congo languages, than Afro-Asiatic languages. (Afro-Asiatic protolanguage origins from Eurasia and therefore more related to R1b1c-V88)
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