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  1. #351
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    Northern Ireland England United States of America Switzerland Denmark
    This won't help advance the understanding of the origins of Z142 but it may add to the international flavor. My YDNA results are:

    Z142> Z12222, CTS9490, BY33528, BY33530

    Although my MDKA is from the USA, the individual I matched at BY33528 is known to be from Northern Ireland in the late 1600's. We have yet to identify the specific ancestor who migrated to America in the early 1700's but it is clear that our shared ancestor(s) were from Northern Ireland.

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    Most of the N Ireland immigrants during that period were Ulster Scots/Scot-Irish, so your paternal line may end up from Scotland.

    Various source give different figures

    An estimated 80% + of the Protestant settlers in Ulster were Scots, the rest being English along with smaller numbers of French Huguenot, Welsh, Manx, German, Dutch and Danish.
    https://www.theulsterscots.com/

    The ‘planters’ were to come as part of an organized settlement scheme that operated between 1605 and 1697. The majority of these immigrants to Ulster were settlers from England and Scotland, although the Scots outnumbered those from England by a ratio of 20:1.
    http://www.harlanddiaspora.net/page91.html

    estimating the number of Protestants in the island at 200,000, he thought there were 100,000 Scots and 20,000 English in the north in 1640.
    http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/han...pdf;sequence=1

    The ratio of Scottish to English settlers in Ulster during the 17th century has often been put at five or six to one, with one rough estimate reckoning there were 100,000 Scots and 20,000 English at the time of the rebellion of 1641. The proportion would have been much higher in Antrim and north Down and more evenly balanced in the six west Ulster counties involved in the official Plantation scheme. The Gaelic-speaking Irish still formed a significant majority in most parishes in those counties by mid-century. Demographic patterns established by Plantation settlements ensured that there were two, often three, cultural traditions in contact in much of the province.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...n/ulsterscots/

    beginning in 1717 and continuing up to the 1770s. Scots-Irish from Ulster and Scotland, and British from the borders region comprised the most numerous group of immigrants from Great Britain and Ireland to the colonies in the years before the American Revolution. An estimated 150,000 left northern Ireland. They settled first mostly in Pennsylvania and western Virginia, from where they moved southwest into the backcountry of upland territories in the South, the Ozarks and the Appalachian Mountains.
    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

    When religious affiliation was first determined in the census of 1861, the respective proportions of Catholic, Presbyterian, and Protestant in Antrim
    were 28, 20, and 48 percent.
    http://members.tripod.com/data_mate/irishgen/County.txt
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 10-07-2018 at 06:52 PM.
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    FYI and for easy reference: Couple of the samples from the Viking DNA study are Z142+ https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....19-Copenhagen)

    U152>L2>Z49>Z142
    VK138 Denmark_Galgedil AQQ Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.39 Male R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1 T2b5

    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150/Z12222
    VK40 Sweden_Skara 106 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.874 Male R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b


    Here's the ancestry estimates for VK40...VK138 didn't have an estimate
    Sample "British-like""Danish-like""" "Swedish-like""Norwegian-like""Polish-like""Southern European-like""Finnish-like""
    VK40 0.205 0.668 0.038 0.032 0.001 0.055 0

    VK40 is mostly Danish like (67%) with British-like making up another 20%

    Hopefully additional downstream SNPs will be found once the raw data is released,
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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  7. #354
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    Hello from Finland!

    I have been wondering what kind of connection our small branch has to the rest of the world. Most of the non-Finnish matches seem to have Scottish roots and one in England. Haven't had any luck contacting the English match but Stewarts seem to reside in the United States.

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-CTS2819

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=2053

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