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  1. #351
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    This won't help advance the understanding of the origins of Z142 but it may add to the international flavor. My YDNA results are:

    Z142> Z12222, CTS9490, BY33528, BY33530

    Although my MDKA is from the USA, the individual I matched at BY33528 is known to be from Northern Ireland in the late 1600's. We have yet to identify the specific ancestor who migrated to America in the early 1700's but it is clear that our shared ancestor(s) were from Northern Ireland.

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    Most of the N Ireland immigrants during that period were Ulster Scots/Scot-Irish, so your paternal line may end up from Scotland.

    Various source give different figures

    An estimated 80% + of the Protestant settlers in Ulster were Scots, the rest being English along with smaller numbers of French Huguenot, Welsh, Manx, German, Dutch and Danish.
    https://www.theulsterscots.com/

    The ‘planters’ were to come as part of an organized settlement scheme that operated between 1605 and 1697. The majority of these immigrants to Ulster were settlers from England and Scotland, although the Scots outnumbered those from England by a ratio of 20:1.
    http://www.harlanddiaspora.net/page91.html

    estimating the number of Protestants in the island at 200,000, he thought there were 100,000 Scots and 20,000 English in the north in 1640.
    http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/han...pdf;sequence=1

    The ratio of Scottish to English settlers in Ulster during the 17th century has often been put at five or six to one, with one rough estimate reckoning there were 100,000 Scots and 20,000 English at the time of the rebellion of 1641. The proportion would have been much higher in Antrim and north Down and more evenly balanced in the six west Ulster counties involved in the official Plantation scheme. The Gaelic-speaking Irish still formed a significant majority in most parishes in those counties by mid-century. Demographic patterns established by Plantation settlements ensured that there were two, often three, cultural traditions in contact in much of the province.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...n/ulsterscots/

    beginning in 1717 and continuing up to the 1770s. Scots-Irish from Ulster and Scotland, and British from the borders region comprised the most numerous group of immigrants from Great Britain and Ireland to the colonies in the years before the American Revolution. An estimated 150,000 left northern Ireland. They settled first mostly in Pennsylvania and western Virginia, from where they moved southwest into the backcountry of upland territories in the South, the Ozarks and the Appalachian Mountains.
    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

    When religious affiliation was first determined in the census of 1861, the respective proportions of Catholic, Presbyterian, and Protestant in Antrim
    were 28, 20, and 48 percent.
    http://members.tripod.com/data_mate/irishgen/County.txt
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    FYI and for easy reference: Couple of the samples from the Viking DNA study are Z142+ https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....19-Copenhagen)

    U152>L2>Z49>Z142
    VK138 Denmark_Galgedil AQQ Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.39 Male R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1 T2b5

    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150/Z12222
    VK40 Sweden_Skara 106 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.874 Male R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b


    Here's the ancestry estimates for VK40...VK138 didn't have an estimate
    Sample "British-like""Danish-like""" "Swedish-like""Norwegian-like""Polish-like""Southern European-like""Finnish-like""
    VK40 0.205 0.668 0.038 0.032 0.001 0.055 0

    VK40 is mostly Danish like (67%) with British-like making up another 20%

    Hopefully additional downstream SNPs will be found once the raw data is released,
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    Hello from Finland!

    I have been wondering what kind of connection our small branch has to the rest of the world. Most of the non-Finnish matches seem to have Scottish roots and one in England. Haven't had any luck contacting the English match but Stewarts seem to reside in the United States.

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-CTS2819

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=2053

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    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>
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    As some of you may know there has been ancient U152 discovered in an upcoming paper Ancient genomes reveal social and genetic structure of Late Neolithic Switzerland
    11 ancient samples tested positive for L2 as listed here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post658422

    MX252 R1b-L2
    MX254_2 R1b-L2
    MX257 R1b-L2
    MX270 R1b-L20
    MX275 R1b-L2
    MX279 R1b-L2
    MX283 R1b-L2
    MX286 R1b-L2
    MX288 R1b-L2
    SNPRA63 R1b-L2
    SNPRA64 R1b-L2

    Unfortunately, due to the limitations of the testing chip used, we aren't able to learn much more e.g. whether any of the 10 non L20 samples above are positive for any of the subclades directly below L2.

    We do know that the following samples are negative for L2>S255/Z367
    MX254_2, MX275, MX286, MX288, and SNPRA64

    With the exception of MX270, any of the above 11 samples could be positive for U152>L2>Z49; we just don't know.

    As it pertains to the U152>L2>Z49>Z142 subclades (it doesn't appear Z142 was tested)

    We know SNPRA64 is negative of for U152>L2>Z49>Z142>S369/Z51 and;

    MX252, MX254_2, MX257, MX275, MX279, MX283, and MX286 were negative for U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222/S7402

    Wish I had more to share.
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    Hi everyone,

    23andme gave me Z57 which seems to fall under this thread
    Thanks Mitchell for posting news about it!

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    When comparing the largest two Z142 subclades Z12222/Z150, & Z51 in the FTDNA database, they have distinctive distributions

    Excluding the British Isles and New World Samples

    Z12222/Z150: 54 samples
    51.9% (28 samples) are from France
    16.7% (9 samples) are from Germany
    9.3% (5 samples) are from Italy
    5.6% (3 samples) are from Netherlands and same for Sweden
    3.7% (2 samples) are from Switzerland
    1.9% (1 sample) are from Czech and same for Hungary, Spain, and Portugal

    Z51: 46 samples
    37.0% (17 samples) are from Germany
    15.2% (7 samples) are from France
    10.9% (5 samples) are from Spain
    8.7% (4 samples) are from Russia
    6.5% (3 samples) are from Sweden
    4.3% (2 samples) are from Finland, and same for Norway
    2.2% (1 sample) are from Switzerland, and same for Hungary, Greece, and Poland


    The Z12222 branch is presently more prevalent in France, while Z51 is more prevalent in Germany

    Also of note is Z12222 appears more common in Italy, while Z51 is more common in Spain

    Z142 total (122 samples)
    France 32.8%
    Germany 23.8%
    Italy 7.4%
    Finland 7.4%
    Sweden 4.9%
    Spain 4.9%
    Switzerland 4.1%
    Netherlands 3.3%
    Russia 3.3%
    Hungary 2.5%
    Poland 1.6%
    Norway 1.6%
    Czech Republic 0.8%
    Portugal 0.8%
    Greece 0.8%

    Z49 (299 samples)
    Germany 26.1%
    France 22.7%
    Ireland 10.4%
    Italy 7.0%
    Sweden 4.7%
    Switzerland 4.3%
    Finland 4.0%
    Spain 3.3%
    Poland 2.7%
    Norway 2.3%
    Netherlands 2.3%
    Russia 2.0%
    Czech Republic 1.7%
    Austria 1.0%
    Portugal 1.0%
    Hungary 0.7%
    Belgium 0.7%
    Greece 0.7%
    Slovenia 0.3%
    Serbia 0.3%
    Armenia 0.3%
    Morocco 0.3%
    Algeria 0.3%
    Liechtenstein 0.3%
    Bulgaria 0.3%
    Slovakia 0.3%

    L2 (1029 samples from Europe, Former USSR, other countries along the Mediterranean)
    Germany 25.4%
    France 20.3%
    Italy 12.1%
    Switzerland 9.9%
    Sweden 4.3%
    Poland 3.5%
    Spain 2.7%
    Netherlands 2.3%
    Belgium 1.9%
    Austria 1.8%
    Norway 1.8%
    Czech Republic 1.7%
    Russia 1.4%
    Finland 1.4%
    Denmark 1.3%
    Hungary 1.1%
    Greece 0.8%
    Romania 0.8%
    Portugal 0.8%
    Lebanon 0.6%
    Belarus 0.5%
    Slovenia 0.4%
    Turkey 0.4%
    Slovakia 0.4%
    Lithuania 0.4%
    Ukraine 0.3%
    Serbia 0.3%
    Luxembourg 0.3%
    Morocco 0.2%
    Montenegro 0.2%
    Algeria 0.2%
    Latvia 0.2%
    Kazakhstan 0.1%
    Estonia 0.1%
    Armenia 0.1%
    Liechtenstein 0.1%
    Bulgaria 0.1%
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%

    U152 (1746 samples from Europe, Former USSR, other countries along the Mediterranean)
    Germany 25.4%
    France 17.4%
    Italy 15.0%
    Switzerland 11.4%
    Poland 3.6%
    Sweden 3.5%
    Spain 3.1%
    Netherlands 2.3%
    Belgium 1.8%
    Hungary 1.8%
    Austria 1.7%
    Czech Republic 1.7%
    Norway 1.3%
    Portugal 1.1%
    Denmark 1.0%
    Finland 1.0%
    Ukraine 0.9%
    Lithuania 0.7%
    Romania 0.7%
    Belarus 0.6%
    Greece 0.6%
    Lebanon 0.4%
    Slovakia 0.3%
    Turkey 0.3%
    Luxembourg 0.3%
    Latvia 0.2%
    Slovenia 0.2%
    Bulgaria 0.2%
    Malta 0.2%
    Liechtenstein 0.2%
    Serbia 0.2%
    Algeria 0.2%
    Estonia 0.1%
    Morocco 0.1%
    Montenegro 0.1%
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.1%
    Palestinian Territory 0.1%
    Kazakhstan 0.1%
    Azerbaijan 0.1%
    Armenia 0.1%
    Egypt 0.1%
    Syria 0.1%
    Croatia 0.1%


    It also appears that as you go down the tree older to newer e.g. from U152 to L2 to Z49 to Z142 to Z12222, there is a shift to the west. The French percentage keeps increasing

    U152 France: 17.4% of all samples (in Europe excluding British Isles, along Mediterranean, and former USSR)
    L2 France: 20.3%
    Z49 France: 22.7%
    Z142 France: 32.8%
    Z12222 France: 51.9%

    Swedish samples also slowly increase (similar to the Finnish samples which may be related)
    U152 Sweden: 3.5% of all samples (in Europe excluding British Isles, along Mediterranean, and former USSR)
    L2 Sweden: 4.3%
    Z49 Sweden: 4.7%
    Z142 Sweden: 4.9%
    Z1222 Sweden: 5.6%
    See post #353 above about Z142 samples in Viking era graves.

    Also the Swiss percentages keep dropping
    U152 Switzerland: 11.4% of all samples (in Europe excluding British Isles, along Mediterranean, and former USSR)
    L2 Switzerland: 9.9%
    Z49 Switzerland: 4.3%
    Z142 Switzerland: 4.1%
    Z12222 Switzerland: 3.7%

    By comparison the German percentages stay pretty consistent until you get below Z142.
    U152 Germany: 25.4% of all samples (in Europe excluding British Isles, along Mediterranean, and former USSR)
    L2 Germany: 25.4%
    Z49 Germany: 26.1%
    Z142 Germany: 23.8%
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