Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 62

Thread: Do You Know Any Native American (First Nations) People?

  1. #11
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,120
    Sex
    Location
    USA-NC
    Ethnicity
    Caucasian
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a4a1c1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-Z2961>ZZ30>ZP106

    United States of America United States Tree Flag Bermuda United Kingdom France Italy

    oldest US reservation in NC?

    As this is on the skeptical side and since this is an off the net section, I'll post the following here.
    Recently I attended a dedication ceremony where descendants of the former Chowanoke tribe returned to land that was once in their reservation bounds and declared that it was for tribal use once more. This northeastern NC tribe was once prominent, but by the 1830s had diminished to a few families, if not just one. It had been placed on reservation after they had warred with the colonists in 1676 or thereabouts. At the ceremony they specified that their tribe was the first to be placed on reservation in the United States. Could that be true? Was the oldest reservation in America in Gates County, North Carolina, USA?
    They said said something --if I heard it correctly-- with their return to the reservation that they join the Cherokee as the only "First Peoples" to own land in their original North Carolina reservation bounds. It that true?
    dp :-)
    PS: when I was a kid my great-uncle said we were descended from this tribe, to the extent that his grandmother was a full-blooded member. The admixture results of my mother and myself dispute his claims as MyOrigins (FTDNA) doesn't show any N.A. ancestry for us. To put a final nail in my late great-uncle's claims I've ordered a 23andme test for my mother's sister. If her test is similarily 100% European I guess I'll have to have a clean out and discard items I copied from books, thinking that they were one of my ancestral populations.
    Grace and good eure and long prosperitee. [Lydg. Mum. Goldsmiths]

    ysearch/mitosearch id: atr94 GENBANK/ENA mtDNA id: KF703542 member ISOGG

  2. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to dp For This Useful Post:

     Alanson (11-03-2014),  Gray Fox (12-02-2014),  rms2 (10-29-2014),  Táltos (10-30-2014)

  3. #12
    Gold Member Class
    Posts
    329
    Sex
    Location
    The Salish Sea
    Ethnicity
    Ashkenazi Levite
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    J1c7a1a
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Z251 (FGC11963+)

    I live 6 miles from the Suquamish Tribe's Port Madison WA reservation and play poker on a regular basis with many tribal members at their Clearwater Casino. This area (not the casino) has been the home of the Suquamish people since time immemorial (well, OK for the past 10,000 years). It is an ancient place on a picturesque stretch of water called Agate Passage, the site of Old-Man-House village, the winter home of Chief Seattle and the heart of the Suquamish people, one of the Puget Sound Salish tribes.

    http://www.suquamish.nsn.us/HistoryCulture.aspx

    The Suquamish had their first recorded contact with non-natives in 1792 with the arrival of British explorer Captain George Vancouver. I have a couple of Douglas fir trees on my property that are more than 300 years old, predating the arrival of Vancouver by at least 100 years.
    Last edited by seferhabahir; 10-30-2014 at 05:44 AM.

  4. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to seferhabahir For This Useful Post:

     Alanson (11-03-2014),  dp (10-31-2014),  MikeWhalen (10-30-2014),  NiloSaharan (08-18-2017),  rms2 (10-30-2014),  Táltos (10-30-2014)

  5. #13
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,120
    Sex
    Location
    USA-NC
    Ethnicity
    Caucasian
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a4a1c1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-Z2961>ZZ30>ZP106

    United States of America United States Tree Flag Bermuda United Kingdom France Italy
    Correction: In the local newspaper the correspondent wrote that the Chowan was the oldest NC reservation. I heard them wrong. The microphone kept cutting in and out. They also mentioned that the oldest Indian school in NC was for members of their tribes. I guess such would go hand in hand with each other.
    dp :-)
    Grace and good eure and long prosperitee. [Lydg. Mum. Goldsmiths]

    ysearch/mitosearch id: atr94 GENBANK/ENA mtDNA id: KF703542 member ISOGG

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to dp For This Useful Post:

     Alanson (11-03-2014)

  7. #14
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,120
    Sex
    Location
    USA-NC
    Ethnicity
    Caucasian
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a4a1c1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-Z2961>ZZ30>ZP106

    United States of America United States Tree Flag Bermuda United Kingdom France Italy
    Dear seferhabir,
    Sounds like a nice place to visit in early October --fall colors along the sound, etc. Most of what I know of Pacific tribes is largely Hollywood steroetypes. I did read a biography of Nez Perce chief Joseph. It was sad that his people had to leave, California?, and try to get to Canada to get away from the bad ole' Yanks.
    dp :-)
    Grace and good eure and long prosperitee. [Lydg. Mum. Goldsmiths]

    ysearch/mitosearch id: atr94 GENBANK/ENA mtDNA id: KF703542 member ISOGG

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to dp For This Useful Post:

     Alanson (11-03-2014)

  9. #15
    Registered Users
    Posts
    89
    Sex
    Location
    Central Dixie
    Ethnicity
    British Isles, NW Europe
    Nationality
    Southern American (Arkie)
    mtDNA (M)
    H3b1b1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-DF99>FGC847>FGC864

    United States of America Northern Ireland Scotland England North of England Ireland Wales
    Does anyone know how different tribes would be differentiated in MDLP World-22 admixtures or other calculators?
    I'm particularly interested in Caddo, Apalachee, Choctaw, and Maya.

  10. #16
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,120
    Sex
    Location
    USA-NC
    Ethnicity
    Caucasian
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a4a1c1
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-Z2961>ZZ30>ZP106

    United States of America United States Tree Flag Bermuda United Kingdom France Italy
    Quote Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    Does anyone know how different tribes would be differentiated in MDLP World-22 admixtures or other calculators?
    I'm particularly interested in Caddo, Apalachee, Choctaw, and Maya.
    For Eurogenes K13 these are the populations with highest Amerindian component:
    Karitiana 99.62
    Pima 89.13 (Siberian 5%)
    Mayan 86.31 (Siberian 2.5%)
    North_Amerindian 73.72 (Siberian 22%)
    East_Greenlander 42.38 (Siberian 44%)
    West_Greenlander 37.1 (Siberian 39%)
    Chukchi 24.71 (Siberian is 60.79)
    MA-1 (archaic individual) 22.02 (Siberian 4%)
    Koryak 17.42 (Siberian 66%)

    For Eurogenes K15 these are the populations with highest Amerindian component:
    Karitiana 99.54
    Anzick-1 (archaic individula) 90.97 (Siberian 4%)
    Pima 88.75 (Siberian 4.82%)
    Mayan 85.93 (Siberian 2.19%)
    North_Amerindian 69.81 (Siberian 20.17%)
    East_Greenlander 41.76 (Siberian 43.23%)
    West_Greenlander 36.41 (Siberian 37.5%)
    Chuckchi 24.26 (Siberian 59.86%)
    MA-1 (archaic individual) 21.16 (Siberian 4.61%)
    Koryak 17.1 (Siberian 66%)

    # same populations
    dp :-)
    Last edited by dp; 12-02-2014 at 11:57 PM.
    Grace and good eure and long prosperitee. [Lydg. Mum. Goldsmiths]

    ysearch/mitosearch id: atr94 GENBANK/ENA mtDNA id: KF703542 member ISOGG

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to dp For This Useful Post:

     Táltos (12-23-2016)

  12. #17
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,055
    Sex
    Location
    Washington state
    Ethnicity
    European blend
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    U5b2b2/G228A
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a1a1a1 L664/YP5623

    United States of America European Union Norway Austrian Empire United Kingdom Germany Imperial
    Native Americans are all over the place around here. Lummi, Nooksack, and several other representatives of tribes from all over the USA (according to a comment by a professor back in the 1990s).

  13. #18
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,055
    Sex
    Location
    Washington state
    Ethnicity
    European blend
    Nationality
    USA
    mtDNA (M)
    U5b2b2/G228A
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a1a1a1 L664/YP5623

    United States of America European Union Norway Austrian Empire United Kingdom Germany Imperial
    Quote Originally Posted by David Powell View Post
    Dear seferhabir,
    Sounds like a nice place to visit in early October --fall colors along the sound, etc. Most of what I know of Pacific tribes is largely Hollywood steroetypes. I did read a biography of Nez Perce chief Joseph. It was sad that his people had to leave, California?, and try to get to Canada to get away from the bad ole' Yanks.
    dp :-)
    The Nez Perce are currently centered in northern Idaho. Chief Joseph's band went up over the Bitteroot Mountains into Montana, and then tried to make it into Canada. He didn't understand that he could not outrun the telegraph.

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Baltimore1937 For This Useful Post:

     dp (12-03-2014)

  15. #19
    Registered Users
    Posts
    343
    Sex
    Location
    Wyoming
    Ethnicity
    Northern European
    Nationality
    American
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a-C150T
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-U152

    United States of America Mexico Germany United Kingdom Ireland
    Quote Originally Posted by David Powell View Post
    As this is on the skeptical side and since this is an off the net section, I'll post the following here.
    Recently I attended a dedication ceremony where descendants of the former Chowanoke tribe returned to land that was once in their reservation bounds and declared that it was for tribal use once more. This northeastern NC tribe was once prominent, but by the 1830s had diminished to a few families, if not just one. It had been placed on reservation after they had warred with the colonists in 1676 or thereabouts. At the ceremony they specified that their tribe was the first to be placed on reservation in the United States. Could that be true? Was the oldest reservation in America in Gates County, North Carolina, USA?
    They said said something --if I heard it correctly-- with their return to the reservation that they join the Cherokee as the only "First Peoples" to own land in their original North Carolina reservation bounds. It that true?
    dp :-)
    PS: when I was a kid my great-uncle said we were descended from this tribe, to the extent that his grandmother was a full-blooded member. The admixture results of my mother and myself dispute his claims as MyOrigins (FTDNA) doesn't show any N.A. ancestry for us. To put a final nail in my late great-uncle's claims I've ordered a 23andme test for my mother's sister. If her test is similarily 100% European I guess I'll have to have a clean out and discard items I copied from books, thinking that they were one of my ancestral populations.
    I wouldn't be too quick to stop claiming Chowanoke ancestry. When I tested with 23andMe, I came out 100% European. But when I had my mother's brother tested as well as my sister, they both had a chunk of Native American ancestry on chromosome six. A distant cousin also tested (we share the same great-great-great-great grandparents) and she had it, too. Since my sister had it, I knew that my mother had it as well. It wasn't long after that that I found a reference to one of my ancestors, Rebecca Jenny Arthur who lived from 1734-1785 whose full blooded Native American mother supposedly moved up to Bedford County, Virginia from the Chowan River country to escape slave traders.

    Obviously, I got a chunk of grandma whereas the rest of my family got a piece of grandpa who carried the Native ancestry. When I ran my DNA through the GEDMATCH calculators, minute amounts of Native American ancestry DID show up. I don't know if its just noise or if I got some tiny pieces of Rebecca Jenny Arthur.

    The downside to this story is the author of the book with the reference to my ancestress does not list his sources. I haven't a clue where he got his information. I've tried to track him down on Facebook and found an email but he hasn't responded to my queries. He seems to be a pan-Shawnee guy who believes all the Algonquian speaking peoples of the East Coast were one big monolithic tribe. He thinks my ancestress was Shawnee (Shawano) but since he states she came from the Chowan River area of North Carolina, I wonder if she wasn't really Chowanoke. I'm not sure how to unravel this conundrum.

    Anyway, just because you didn't inherit any actual Chowanoke DNA, doesn't mean you have to give up bragging rights. Perhaps some of your relatives still carry the DNA.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Grossvater For This Useful Post:

     Táltos (12-23-2016)

  17. #20
    Registered Users
    Posts
    2,237
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    Mixed Euro/Near East
    Nationality
    Canadian
    mtDNA (M)
    H11a2a3
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a-YP4516/YP4807*

    Canada Franco-Manitoban European Union Ottoman Empire Russia Imperial United States Grand Union
    I used to work with a Dakota guy, and at another time with a Cree guy, and have worked with several Métis people. Around here there's mainly a mix of Cree, Anishinaabe (Ojiwbe/Chippewa), Dakota, and Métis as well as non-status First Nations people. I have a first cousin with considerable Métis ancestry including both Plains Cree and Dené (Chipewyan) ancestry.

    I am still investigating the possibility of remote Indigenous ancestry on my mother's side. She gets slight bits of NA with various tests and oracles, as do I. I have one cousin who is part Wabenaki, but they might share French ancestry with me.

    Some of my ancestors lived in Lenape country, in Sussex Cty., NJ, and apparently Lenape groups used to camp out on the farmland into the 18th century. You can read more about the artifacts of this area here.
     

    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

  18. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to AJL For This Useful Post:

     Humanist (05-27-2016),  NiloSaharan (08-18-2017),  Táltos (12-23-2016)

Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. East Asian = Native American?
    By Grossvater in forum Autosomal (auDNA)
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 09-30-2017, 08:03 AM
  2. Native S. American Y-DNA Results
    By DMXX in forum Southern
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-10-2015, 02:54 PM
  3. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03-02-2014, 08:35 AM
  4. At Least 3 Deep Lineages in the Native American Population
    By AppalachianGumbo in forum Northern
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-01-2012, 12:23 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •