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    The haplogroup which just seems as "I2" in 23andme..

    Is it the Kavkaz(Turkish-Armenian-Georgian) subclade?

    Like writes in wikipedia:
    I-M438 (L68 {rs35547782}, M438/P215/S31 {rs17307294}) Low frequency in Armenia, Georgia and Turkey.[7]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogr...M438#Subclades

    How can I learn more about my hg? Because 23andme gives too poor info.

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    I don't use 23andMe, but I believe that they call I2-P37.2 "I2a" and I2-L35 "I2b." So I suppose that just getting "I2" means that you are P37.2- L35-. All known I2 P37.2- L35- currently falls into either I2-L415 or I2-L596. The "Kavkaz subclade" as you put it is a STR cluster within I2-L596. Obviously 23andMe doesn't do STRs, so you can't know for sure that you are in that cluster, but it would be a good guess for someone who is I2 P37.2- L35- and from Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I don't use 23andMe, but I believe that they call I2-P37.2 "I2a" and I2-L35 "I2b." So I suppose that just getting "I2" means that you are P37.2- L35-. All known I2 P37.2- L35- currently falls into either I2-L415 or I2-L596. The "Kavkaz subclade" as you put it is a STR cluster within I2-L596. Obviously 23andMe doesn't do STRs, so you can't know for sure that you are in that cluster, but it would be a good guess for someone who is I2 P37.2- L35- and from Turkey.
    23andme lists the following,

    I2 - M438, L68
    I2a - P37.2
    I2a1 - M26
    I2a1a - M161
    I2a2 - M423
    I2a2a - M359, P41.2
    I2a2b - L69.2
    I2b - M436, P216, P217, P218
    I2b1 = M223, P219-23
    I2b1a - M284
    I2b1b - exists, no defining SNPs reported
    I2b1c - P78
    I2b1d - P95

    So, as sparkey stated, I2* at 23andme is really I2(xI2a1, xI2a2) in the present ISOGG nomenclature which is also most assuredly outdated, but I'm not current with the most recent I2 phylogeny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromatic View Post
    23andme lists the following,

    I2 - M438, L68
    I2a - P37.2
    I2a1 - M26
    I2a1a - M161
    I2a2 - M423
    I2a2a - M359, P41.2
    I2a2b - L69.2
    I2b - M436, P216, P217, P218
    I2b1 = M223, P219-23
    I2b1a - M284
    I2b1b - exists, no defining SNPs reported
    I2b1c - P78
    I2b1d - P95

    So, as sparkey stated, I2* at 23andme is really I2(xI2a1, xI2a2) in the present ISOGG nomenclature which is also most assuredly outdated, but I'm not current with the most recent I2 phylogeny.
    You're correct. Looks like they don't test L35 directly, but it's phyloequivalent to M436/P216/P217/P218, so my point stands.

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    What? Is there a I2 turkish subclade? Very interesting.

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