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    Origin/Distribution of L1/L1a

    My paternal haplogroup is L1-M27/L1a according to 23andme. My father is an ethnic Tajik from Panjsher province in Afghanistan. Does anyone have more info on this subclade and haplogroup L in general?



    8 out of the 13 Baloch participants in this Y-DNA study on Afghanistan exhibit it:
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    This is kind of interesting:

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/10...mosome-of.html

    Present Y chromosomes support the Persian ancestry of Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar and Eminent Navigator Zheng He

    Chuan-Chao Wang et al.

    Sayyid Ajjal is the ancestor of many Muslims in areas all across China. And one of his descendants is the famous Navigator of Ming Dynasty, Zheng He, who led the largest armada in the world of 15th century. The origin of Sayyid Ajjal's family remains unclear although many studies have been done on this topic of Muslim history. In this paper, we studied the Y chromosomes of his present descendants, and found they all have haplogroup L1a-M76, proving a southern Persian origin.
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    It most likely originated via the basal eurasian migration(SW asian type ENF). Judging by its distrobution, it is very likely the haplogroup carried by the original dravidian speakers

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    Who do you think original Dravidian speakers are ? At least presently its maximum diversity is in north eastern part of Dravidian speaking area . L1 though appears to be younger and less diverse than R1a when I look into the str values
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG View Post
    Who do you think original Dravidian speakers are ? At least presently its maximum diversity is in north eastern part of Dravidian speaking area . L1 though appears to be younger and less diverse than R1a when I look into the str values
    Whats makes me assume thats its the original dravidians is that the areas its peaks in are around the indus valley and in the south. Also judging from the face it is also found around the persian gulf area, I think this haplogroup might have basal eurasian affinities related to SW asian type ENF

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    Whats makes me assume thats its the original dravidians is that the areas its peaks in are around the indus valley and in the south. Also judging from the face it is also found around the persian gulf area, I think this haplogroup might have basal eurasian affinities related to SW asian type ENF
    We can only speculate which language was orginally spoken by L carriers but if i am not wrong L is also quite frequent among Kalash and Burusho in the Hindukush. Even in Tajikistan not few have it but i dont know if Dravidians had any presence there. The origin of Dravidians is very mysterious and some assume that they orginated once in Balutschistan, where L peaks today. But the association of proto-dravidians with any haplogroup is speculative as long as there are no ancient samples tested there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    We can only speculate which language was orginally spoken by L carriers but if i am not wrong L is also quite frequent among Kalash and Burusho in the Hindukush. Even in Tajikistan not few have it but i dont know if Dravidians had any presence there. The origin of Dravidians is very mysterious and some assume that they orginated once in Balutschistan, where L peaks today. But the association of proto-dravidians with any haplogroup is speculative as long as there are no ancient samples tested there
    True its speculative, but it has as much validity as saying that haplogroup R is associated with indoeuropeans. Associating linguistic groups with haplgroups has a logical fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    We can only speculate which language was orginally spoken by L carriers but if i am not wrong L is also quite frequent among Kalash and Burusho in the Hindukush. Even in Tajikistan not few have it but i dont know if Dravidians had any presence there. The origin of Dravidians is very mysterious and some assume that they orginated once in Balutschistan, where L peaks today. But the association of proto-dravidians with any haplogroup is speculative as long as there are no ancient samples tested there
    Could L be connected to migration from the BMAC region into Balochistan and South Asia?

    Some scholars have suggested that the characteristically BMAC artifacts found at burials in Mehrgarh and Baluchistan are explained by a movement of peoples from Central Asia to the south.[125]


    Jarrige and Hassan argue instead that the BMAC artifacts are explained "within the framework of fruitful intercourse" by "a wide distribution of common beliefs and ritual practices" and "the economic dynamism of the area extending from South-Central Asia to the Indus Valley."[126]

    According to Bryant, the exclusively Central Asian BMAC material inventory of the Mehrgarh and Baluchistan burials is "evidence of an archaeological intrusion into the subcontinent from Central Asia during the commonly accepted time frame for the arrival of the Indo-Aryans".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Ar...lex_.28BMAC.29










    Fredrik T. Hibert, "South Asia from a Central Asian Perspective." The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, edited by George Erdosy

    http://books.google.com/books?id=A6Z...page&q&f=false
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukha View Post
    Could L be connected to migration from the BMAC region into Balochistan and South Asia?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Ar...lex_.28BMAC.29










    Fredrik T. Hibert, "South Asia from a Central Asian Perspective." The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, edited by George Erdosy

    http://books.google.com/books?id=A6Z...page&q&f=false
    Doubt it. The distribution of L in South Asia looks very western as opposed to northern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukha View Post
    Could L be connected to migration from the BMAC region into Balochistan and South Asia?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Ar...lex_.28BMAC.29










    Fredrik T. Hibert, "South Asia from a Central Asian Perspective." The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, edited by George Erdosy

    http://books.google.com/books?id=A6Z...page&q&f=false
    i tend to agree with you


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