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Thread: Origin/Distribution of L1/L1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    Whats makes me assume thats its the original dravidians is that the areas its peaks in are around the indus valley and in the south. Also judging from the face it is also found around the persian gulf area, I think this haplogroup might have basal eurasian affinities related to SW asian type ENF
    Proto Dravidian speakers would be associated with Neolithic Farmers , the Baloch/Brahui kind of ENF . The bedouin like ENF is more archaic.
    Its also very speculative to associate L with Dravidians ,there are lot of grey areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukha View Post
    Could L be connected to migration from the BMAC region into Balochistan and South Asia?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Ar...lex_.28BMAC.29










    Fredrik T. Hibert, "South Asia from a Central Asian Perspective." The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, edited by George Erdosy

    http://books.google.com/books?id=A6Z...page&q&f=false
    No, there is no way it is related to indoaryans or BMAC due to the fact it peaks in Southern India. THe fact the artifacts from BMAC are found in megharh and central asian tombs are indicator the BMAC and megarh had contact with eachother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Proto Dravidian speakers would be associated with Neolithic Farmers , the Baloch/Brahui kind of ENF . The bedouin like ENF is more archaic.
    Its also very speculative to associate L with Dravidians ,there are lot of grey areas.
    Its hard to say who the protodravidians were, and associating haplogroups with language groups is speculative at best. I also doubt there are any affinities to basal eurasian populations. But its distribution looks to specific to areas associated with having/had dravidians to just be a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    Its hard to say who the protodravidians were, and associating haplogroups with language groups is speculative at best. I also doubt there are any affinities to basal eurasian populations. But its distribution looks to specific to areas associated with having/had dravidians to just be a coincidence.
    Well most evidence points to proto Dravidians being related to Neolithic Farmers, and their languages displaced the Austroasiatic / Munda languages which dominated peninsular India.
    Similar in the way Indo Aryan languages displaced Dravidian languages in Northern India. While others say its an Autochthonous origin .

    Yes thats true the fact that it (L) occurs in such a high amount among even tribals in Southern India, points to a far more archaic origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Well most evidence points to proto Dravidians being related to Neolithic Farmers, and their languages displaced the Austroasiatic / Munda languages which dominated peninsular India.
    Similar in the way Indo Aryan languages displaced Dravidian languages in Northern India. While others say its an Autochthonous origin .

    Yes thats true the fact that it (L) occurs in such a high amount among even tribals in Southern India, points to a far more archaic origin.
    What makes me suspect that it is the dravidian haplogroup and not tribal related is the fact it is not found among central or eastern Indian populations. Y chromosome DNA is only a small percentage of the DNA and are an indicator a paternal lineage. It is very possible that dravidians mixed a bit with the tribal populations. Which south Indian tribals are you talking about too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    What makes me suspect that it is the dravidian haplogroup and not tribal related is the fact it is not found among central or eastern Indian populations. Y chromosome DNA is only a small percentage of the DNA and are an indicator a paternal lineage. It is very possible that dravidians mixed a bit with the tribal populations. Which south Indian tribals are you talking about too?
    I am not talking about Gonds and Austroasiatic groups in Central and Eastern India.

    Yes ofcourse the Dravidian admixed with locals. I was talking about groups like the Vellama or Paniya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Yes thats true the fact that it (L) occurs in such a high amount among even tribals in Southern India, points to a far more archaic origin.
    L does not have high frequencies among tribals
    Other known uniparental markers .
    Paternal grandmother's side Ydna - C-K96
    Maternal grandmother's side Ydna- J-L26(possibly J-PF5197)
    Paternal grandfather's mtdna :HV
    Paternal grandmother's father's mtdna : M5a1
    Maternal grandfather's mtdna :M5a

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    for example, N92407 has only 37-m

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