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Thread: Origin/Distribution of L1/L1a

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    map of "European L" (2014)

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    Very interesting... Quite surprised to see all the L1a-M27 in Central-Western Europe. Any information on STR haplotypes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppS View Post
    map of "European L" (2014)

    same period for T

    since T and L where once in union .then !!!!

    the south Caucasus looks interesting

    purple then pink are closest to me

    only 67 or more markers shown

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    I have a question about Turks from Afshar village.
    To what branch of L they belong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    I have a question about Turks from Afshar village.
    To what branch of L they belong?
    Their STR markers looks like Pontic Cluster of L1b. (in ysearch) And TMRCa between them is very low. I guess that they dont have Turkic descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukha View Post
    Could L be connected to migration from the BMAC region into Balochistan and South Asia?
    L is definitely IVC/Baluchistan, not Indo-Aryan R1a1/R2. My theory is that L is the original Dravidian haplogroup brought from the Elam region of Iran, possibly along with J, which has persisted in higher caste Dravidians in south India who brought on the y-dna mediated language transfer from the unrecorded/isolate original Veddoid/South Indian language.

    Then r1a and r2 also performed the same y-dna domination to bring over Indo-Aryan/Yamnaya languages paternally. R1a and r2 are more successful in India than the Elamite haplogroup L in terms of propagation.

    Even non-Aryan south Indian tribals such as the Chenchus have high levels of R1a, suggesting that it was very successful in the subcontinent. It also moots the point that L is tribal, since L and R1a are both found in south Indian tribals. Though since L has been in the subcontinent for longer, it is more widespread.

    L is in no way shape or form able to be traced back to the original Australoid/Veddoid population. It is highly distributed along the West Coast of India which traces the IVC to Inamgaon settlement path of the Elamites.

    Your Tajik father was related to the original Elamite settlers of the IVC/Makran coast, as I'm sure many Kalash Burusho Nuristanis and Pashtuns are as well in addition to the Baloch/Brahui, so has nothing to do with south Indian tribals.

    Im sure Punjab/Gujarat/Pashtunistan was a strong area for L as well, but since it was directly in the path of the r1a invaders, r1a came out on top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Their STR markers looks like Pontic Cluster of L1b. (in ysearch) And TMRCa between them is very low. I guess that they dont have Turkic descent.
    Can you send me those str profiles?
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    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Can you send me those str profiles?
    UUFVY
    498DG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    UUFVY
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    Yes you are right, they match pontic people mostly. Can we confirm this sample is genuinely from the paper?
    Of all the countries, this is possibly the most beautiful. All that is beautiful and can be rarely seen in
    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Yes you are right, they match pontic people mostly. Can we confirm this sample is genuinely from the paper?
    I cant. I dont know who upload those results into ysearch.

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