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    Some fresh results:

    331841 CTS9219-
    145692 BY250+
    145692 Y5587-
    84950 BY250-
    5811 CTS9219+
    64409 CTS9219-

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    261086 is Y5587+.

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    Some interesting observations:

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    Kit	Branch		DYF406S1	DYS525		DYS504
    203564	BY250		10		10		17
    145692	BY250		10		10		17
    90135	BY250		10		10		17
    164180	BY250		10		10		17
    271283	BY250		10	
    321758	BY250		10	
    
    277816	Y5587		11		9		15
    239214	Y5587		11		9		15
    261086	Y5587		11		9		15
    295890	Y5587		11		9		15
    11746	Y5587		11
    Interesting is that the Balkan cluster is closer to the WE cluster (BY250) than to the EE cluster (Y5587) as can be seen from these haplotypes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    How old is y5587 ?

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    For those who want a quick and dirty way for guessing the sign of their CTS9219, here's a simple trick. Notice that those who tested negative for CTS9219 have (statistically speaking) distinguished STRs from those who tested positive as follow:

    DYS458 DYS447 DYS437 DYS449 DYS607 DYS534 DYS446 DYS572
    CTS9219- 17 24 16 29 17 14 13 12
    CTS9219+ 16 25 15 30 16 15 14 11

    Now, you just need to compute your distance with respect to the numbers shown in table. For instance for the case of Romitti (N37658) his numbers look like:

    DYS458 DYS447 DYS437 DYS449 DYS607 DYS534 DYS446 DYS572
    16 25 15 30 16 15 13 11

    then compute the distance d^2 = (16-17)^2+(25-24)^2+... relative to the CTS9219- numbers above and similarly for CTS9219+. You will find a score of 7 for CTS9219- and 1 for CTS9219+. This means that Romitti will must likely turns up to be CTS9219+. Interestingly, with this measure most of R-L23 members in the ht35 project are turning up positive for the CTS9219 with the exception of group b3. Obviously, this will not dispense one from the real SNP testing and everyone is invited to perform it. For those who are impatient or can't afford this is not a bad measure.

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    The easiest way is to look at DYS446 - 13 is CTS9219-, while 14 and more is CTS9219+. No need to calculate anything.

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    In that case we have to wait for Romitti CTS9219 test. He has a DYS446 = 13, but I expect him to be CTS9219+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    How old is y5587 ?
    It's too early to really know how old Y5587 is and would be very speculative. That shouldn't stop anybody from trying. Hopefully, as more SNP data comes in the age ranges for this part of the tree will narrow.
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abou View Post
    In that case we have to wait for Romitti CTS9219 test. He has a DYS446 = 13, but I expect him to be CTS9219+.
    At some point there might be a cross over. So far DYS446 has been 100% reliable for CTS9219 predictions. Is Romitti waiting for FGC results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    How old is y5587 ?
    About the best estimate right now would be:
    - Ask R-Y5587 Big Y participants how many "private" SNPs they have (best- and acceptable-quality only)
    - Multiply by 140-150 years per SNP

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