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    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 South_Central_Asian 35.98
    2 South_Indian 33.22
    3 Caucasian 13.87
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.89
    6 Australoid 1.39
    7 Paleo_Siberian 1.31
    8 Near_East 1.2
    9 Arctic 1.12
    10 East_Siberian 0.85
    11 Melano_Polynesian 0.74
    12 South_East_Asian 0.26
    13 Archaic_Human 0.11
    14 European_Early_Farmers 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 3.19
    2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.11
    3 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.51
    4 Pathan ( ) 9.05
    5 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 10.59
    6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 10.68
    7 Pakistani ( ) 10.92
    8 Burusho ( ) 13.87
    9 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 14.13
    10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.4
    11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 14.89
    12 Sindhi ( ) 15.04
    13 Tiwari ( ) 17.4
    14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 19.11
    15 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 21.14
    16 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.67
    17 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 22.27
    18 Vaish ( ) 22.54
    19 Kshatriya ( ) 23.29
    20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 23.53

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.11
    2 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.12
    3 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.13
    4 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Adjara ( ) @ 2.13
    5 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.15
    6 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.15
    7 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.16
    8 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian ( ) @ 2.17
    9 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.21
    10 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.23
    11 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Balkar ( ) @ 2.24
    12 97.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.24
    13 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% Adygei ( ) @ 2.25
    14 96.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.2% Chechen ( ) @ 2.26
    15 96.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.1% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.27
    16 98.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 1.9% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 2.29
    17 96.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.32
    18 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Circassian ( ) @ 2.32
    19 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.33
    20 96.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.33

    Didn't expect Jatt haryana to be 2nd instead of punjabi gujjar.
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    For me, the K23b Oracle has given the most accurate results of any test so far (MDLP or otherwise):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.76
    2 European_Early_Farmers 28.79
    3 Caucasian 19.98
    4 South_Central_Asian 5.69
    5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
    6 North_African 1.56
    7 Near_East 1.1
    8 Paleo_Siberian 0.91
    9 East_Siberian 0.18

    Oracle Results:

     
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 English ( ) 1.69
    2 North_European ( ) 1.7
    3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 3.21
    4 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 3.58
    5 Belgian ( ) 3.63
    6 CEU ( ) 3.73
    7 Welsh ( ) 4.47
    8 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 5.92
    9 Dutch ( ) 5.97
    10 Icelandic ( ) 6.61
    11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 6.74
    12 Swede ( ) 6.93
    13 North_German ( ) 7.74
    14 Orcadian ( ) 7.94
    15 South_German ( ) 8.14
    16 French ( ) 8.6
    17 British ( ) 8.76
    18 Portugese ( ) 13.52
    19 Austrian ( ) 14.46
    20 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 15.1

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.7% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.05
    2 96% North_European ( ) + 4% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 1.05
    3 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.06
    4 50.4% English ( ) + 49.6% North_European ( ) @ 1.07
    5 97.1% North_European ( ) + 2.9% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.07
    6 95.4% North_European ( ) + 4.6% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 1.07
    7 72.4% North_European ( ) + 27.6% Belgian ( ) @ 1.07
    8 96.5% North_European ( ) + 3.5% Central_Greek ( ) @ 1.07
    9 95.7% North_European ( ) + 4.3% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.07
    10 87% English ( ) + 13% British ( ) @ 1.08
    11 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.08
    12 94.7% North_European ( ) + 5.3% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 1.08
    13 95.3% North_European ( ) + 4.7% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 1.08
    14 73.4% English ( ) + 26.6% CEU ( ) @ 1.08
    15 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Italian_South ( ) @ 1.09
    16 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 1.09
    17 98.6% North_European ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.09
    18 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek ( ) @ 1.09
    19 96.4% North_European ( ) + 3.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.1
    20 98.5% North_European ( ) + 1.5% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.1


    Oracle 4 Results:

     
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English @ 1.458210
    2 North_European @ 1.771061
    3 Belgian @ 2.634375
    4 CEU @ 2.777531
    5 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.037564
    6 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.652070
    7 Welsh @ 3.861706
    8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.719982
    9 Dutch @ 5.304448
    10 Orcadian @ 5.367535
    11 Norwegian_Bergen @ 5.556241
    12 South_German @ 6.024904
    13 British @ 6.185722
    14 Icelandic @ 6.697094
    15 North_German @ 9.110962
    16 French @ 10.457448
    17 Swede @ 11.084743
    18 Austrian @ 11.637583
    19 German_East @ 13.373690
    20 Hungarian @ 15.694191

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% English +50% North_European @ 1.221788


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English +25% English_Cornwall_GBR +25% North_European @ 0.910333


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.910333
    2 English + English + English_Kent_GBR + North_European @ 0.917835
    3 Belgian + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.946804
    4 Dutch + English + French + Icelandic @ 0.966337
    5 Dutch + English + French + Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.009073
    6 Belgian + English + North_European + Welsh @ 1.009941
    7 English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.011471
    8 Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + North_European + Welsh @ 1.024171
    9 Belgian + CEU + English + English @ 1.035723
    10 Belgian + Dutch + French + Icelandic @ 1.046970
    11 Belgian + CEU + English + North_European @ 1.053425
    12 English + English + English + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.058408
    13 CEU + English + English + English @ 1.061778
    14 Belgian + Dutch + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.062362
    15 Belgian + English + English + Welsh @ 1.062689
    16 Austrian + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Orcadian @ 1.065638
    17 English + English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.067120
    18 Dutch + English + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 1.069302
    19 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.079202
    20 Belgian + CEU + Dutch + Welsh @ 1.084590

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    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 South_Central_Asian 42.4
    2 South_Indian 32.85
    3 Caucasian 11.63
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.05
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.78
    6 Austronesian 0.97
    7 European_Early_Farmers 0.87
    8 Arctic 0.67
    9 Archaic_African 0.61
    10 Paleo_Siberian 0.49
    11 Melano_Polynesian 0.32
    12 Near_East 0.18
    13 Archaic_Human 0.11
    14 East_Siberian 0.06
    15 East_African 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 1.96
    2 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 6.24
    3 Pathan ( ) 8.19
    4 Pakistani ( ) 8.84
    5 Sindhi ( ) 9.09
    6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 11.1
    7 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 11.15
    8 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 11.42
    9 Burusho ( ) 11.84
    10 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 15.36
    11 Tiwari ( ) 17.88
    12 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 18.22
    13 Cochin_Jew ( ) 20.74
    14 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 20.83
    15 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.5
    16 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 22.68
    17 Kshatriya ( ) 22.69
    18 Vaish ( ) 22.85
    19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 24.45
    20 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 24.94

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.38
    2 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.38
    3 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.39
    4 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.4
    5 98.5% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.5% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.4
    6 98.7% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.41
    7 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Adjara ( ) @ 1.41
    8 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian ( ) @ 1.41
    9 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.46
    10 98.5% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.5% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.47
    11 98.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.47
    12 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.48
    13 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Balkar ( ) @ 1.48
    14 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Adygei ( ) @ 1.48
    15 98.3% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.7% Chechen ( ) @ 1.49
    16 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.51
    17 98.7% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.3% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.51
    18 98.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.9% Avar ( ) @ 1.52
    19 98.2% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.8% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.52
    20 98.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.53

    Oracle 4

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341
    2 Jatt_Pahari @ 6.502042
    3 Sindhi @ 6.783963
    4 Pakistani @ 7.780654
    5 Pathan @ 7.930525
    6 GujaratiA_GIH @ 9.171355
    7 Jatt_Muslim @ 10.788908
    8 Burusho @ 11.351063
    9 Jatt_Haryana @ 13.498055
    10 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 13.889539
    11 GujaratiB_GIH @ 15.949771
    12 Tiwari @ 16.909451
    13 Brahmin_Tamil @ 19.474405
    14 Kshatriya @ 19.702700
    15 Mumbai_Jew @ 20.139936
    16 Pashtun_Afghani @ 20.771175
    17 Vaish @ 20.920757
    18 Cochin_Jew @ 21.379280
    19 Afghan_Pushtun @ 21.728224
    20 TN_Brahmin @ 22.262146

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Punjabi_Gujjar +50% Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Punjabi_Gujjar +25% Punjabi_Gujjar +25% Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341
    Last edited by bol_nat; 09-13-2014 at 01:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    Pakistan Punjabi jatt HRP0350

    MDLP K23b Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 South_Central_Asian 35.98
    2 South_Indian 33.22
    3 Caucasian 13.87
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.89
    6 Australoid 1.39
    7 Paleo_Siberian 1.31
    8 Near_East 1.2
    9 Arctic 1.12
    10 East_Siberian 0.85
    11 Melano_Polynesian 0.74
    12 South_East_Asian 0.26
    13 Archaic_Human 0.11
    14 European_Early_Farmers 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 3.19
    2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.11
    3 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.51
    4 Pathan ( ) 9.05
    5 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 10.59
    6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 10.68
    7 Pakistani ( ) 10.92
    8 Burusho ( ) 13.87
    9 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 14.13
    10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.4
    11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 14.89
    12 Sindhi ( ) 15.04
    13 Tiwari ( ) 17.4
    14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 19.11
    15 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 21.14
    16 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.67
    17 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 22.27
    18 Vaish ( ) 22.54
    19 Kshatriya ( ) 23.29
    20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 23.53

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.11
    2 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.12
    3 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.13
    4 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Adjara ( ) @ 2.13
    5 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.15
    6 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.15
    7 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.16
    8 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian ( ) @ 2.17
    9 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.21
    10 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.23
    11 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Balkar ( ) @ 2.24
    12 97.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.24
    13 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% Adygei ( ) @ 2.25
    14 96.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.2% Chechen ( ) @ 2.26
    15 96.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.1% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.27
    16 98.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 1.9% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 2.29
    17 96.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.32
    18 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Circassian ( ) @ 2.32
    19 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.33
    20 96.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.33

    Didn't expect Jatt haryana to be 2nd instead of punjabi gujjar.
    Awesome results. I think the beta sucked. Gujarati A were too close and are usually fairly distant. These results make more sense. I expect mine to be very similar to yours. I keep getting kicked on Gedmatch on my phone though.

    I'm still curious about the Pashtun results. Where are they from? The Afghan Pashtun is HRP0370 who is Durrani/Popalzai originally from Northwest Afghanistan according to Dr_McNinja. It's awesome that the Pamiris were separated into three groups from different districts/regions of the Pamir region. It seems one groups is from Afghanistan's Badakhshan province. One is from the border city of Ishkashim/Ishkoshim and one from from Tajikistan's Gorno-Badakhshan. There are even isolated Yaghnobis from Sughd, Tajikstan.
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    The GEDmatch one is giving a little different results but mostly the same as the DIY:

    Population
    Amerindian 0.70%
    Ancestral_Altaic 4.21%
    South_Central_Asian 33.13%
    Arctic -
    South_Indian 38.30%
    Australoid 0.22%
    Austronesian -
    Caucasian 7.32%
    Archaic_Human -
    East_African -
    East_Siberian 0.83%
    European_Early_Farmers 3.55%
    Khoisan -
    Melano_Polynesian -
    Archaic_African 0.09%
    Near_East 1.54%
    North_African -
    Paleo_Siberian 2.45%
    African_Pygmy -
    South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian 0.43%
    Tungus-Altaic 0.91%
    European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.31%
    My Caucasian dropped even further in the GEDmatch and bol_nat's went up which was interesting.
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 3.37
    2 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 6.13
    3 Pakistani ( ) 6.56
    4 Tiwari ( ) 6.99
    5 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 8.86
    6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.6
    7 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 11.03
    8 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 11.68
    9 Vaish ( ) 12.19
    10 Kshatriya ( ) 12.28
    11 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 12.54
    12 Sindhi ( ) 14.14
    13 Brahmins_UP ( ) 14.24
    14 TN_Brahmin ( ) 14.88
    15 Burusho ( ) 16.37
    16 Meghawal ( ) 16.6
    17 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.03
    18 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 17.52
    19 Pathan ( ) 18.15
    20 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 20.14

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Itelmen ( ) @ 2.94
    2 90.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.2% Meghawal ( ) @ 2.94
    3 88.1% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 11.9% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.96
    4 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Koryak ( ) @ 2.97
    5 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 3
    6 98.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 3.01
    7 93.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.4% Dharkar ( ) @ 3.01
    8 94.7% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.3% Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB ( ) @ 3.02
    9 90.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.7% Brahmins_UP ( ) @ 3.03
    10 94.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.6% Kanjar ( ) @ 3.03
    11 93.9% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.1% Srivastava ( ) @ 3.04
    12 93.2% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 3.05
    13 96.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 3.7% Gond ( ) @ 3.05
    14 95.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.4% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 3.05
    15 81.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 18.5% Tiwari ( ) @ 3.06
    16 96% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 3.06
    17 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.06
    18 89.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 10.7% Vaish ( ) @ 3.07
    19 94.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.5% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 3.07
    20 95.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.2% Lodhi ( ) @ 3.07
    This is very interesting. It seems to indicate I'm east shifted compared to my mom or grandmom (whoever was the basis for Jatt Muslim), or even north shifted. It even uses some Siberians or what I think are ancient genomes (Skoglund_farmer and Gokhem7... where were these from?). There's one with French Basque there. I'm confused since it seems to indicate I'm either a little Southeast (Indian), Northeast (Siberian) or Northwest (European/Ancient)... and they're all similar genetic distance.

    Why is ANE now called Ancestral Altaic though?

    For comparison here were some DIY runs I did: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...ive_web#gid=17

    Guess I should make a new page with this calculator

    EDIT: My Oracle results with the DIY calculator:

    [1,] "Jatt-Muslim" "2.1359"
    [2,] "Tiwari" "5.9754"
    [3,] "Pakistani" "6.2983"
    [4,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
    [5,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
    [6,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
    [7,] "Jatt-Pahari" "8.2105"
    [8,] "Jatt-Haryana" "8.3791"
    [9,] "Kshatriya" "10.452"
    [10,] "Vaish" "10.7356"

    Then I ran that command and got this:

    [1,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
    [2,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
    [3,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
    [4,] "Brahmins_UP" "12.6861"
    [5,] "Brahmins_Tamil" "13.2342"
    [6,] "Cochin_Jew" "13.2412"
    [7,] "GujaratiC_GIH" "15.6206"
    [8,] "Burusho" "16.4075"
    [9,] "Dharkars" "20.2249"
    [10,] "GujaratiD_GIH" "20.6277"


    [1,] "21.5% Afghan_Pushtun + 78.5% Brahmin-Tamil" "2.5382"
    [2,] "12% Dutch + 88% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8274"
    [3,] "11.6% Austrian + 88.4% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8431"
    [4,] "88.2% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.8% Hungarian_Metspalu" "2.8467"
    [5,] "11.2% Bulgarian + 88.8% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8969"
    [6,] "12.1% German + 87.9% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9034"
    [7,] "88.4% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.6% Hungarian_Coriell" "2.906"
    [8,] "10.8% Ashkenazi_Jew + 89.2% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9666"
    [9,] "11.7% English + 88.3% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9772"
    [10,] "11.9% Czech + 88.1% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9928"
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 09-13-2014 at 01:00 AM.
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    Well if I have to compare the two for myself and others with similar ancestry I'll have to discard your argument. However I've seen results from full Sicilians that are very accurate though, I don't understand why the oracle results are less than the Beta version for people of mixed Northern-Euro and Central/Southern-Italian/Sicilian descent ?
    Only the older MDLP versions worked quite well for me personally and those newer ones all gave me Greek instead of S_Italian in Oracle.

    I've never seen any better calculator for North-Dutch people though !! And I think many people will actually be content with it.
    Last edited by Dimanto; 09-13-2014 at 01:00 AM.
    Mc Donald:
    Most likely fit is 62.4% (+- 9.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 37.6% (+- 9.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
    Dodecad World9:
    1 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% Dutch @ 1.083
    2 50% German +50% S_Italian @ 1.126
    3 50% Dutch +50% S_Italian @ 1.148

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimanto View Post
    Well if I have to compare the two for myself and others with similar ancestry I'll have to discard your argument. However I've seen results from full Sicilians that are very accurate though, I don't understand why the oracle results are less than the Beta version for people of mixed Northern Euro and Central/Southern-Italian/Sicilian ?

    I've never seen any better calculator for North-Dutch people though !!
    Yes, this seems to be a loophole in K23b. For some reasons, it fails to give more or less acceptable predictions for "mixed" individuals of complex Northern/Western/Southern European admixtures.
    Behold the results of an individiual with 50% English, 25% Italian and 25% Finnish ancestry
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_German ( ) 4.47
    2 Dutch ( ) 4.62
    3 South_German ( ) 4.66
    4 Belgian ( ) 7.38
    5 Austrian ( ) 7.42
    6 English ( ) 8.04
    7 Swede ( ) 8.89
    8 German_East ( ) 9.84
    9 German ( ) 9.86
    10 North_European ( ) 10.29
    11 Hungarian ( ) 11.21
    12 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 11.37
    13 Slovenian ( ) 11.52
    14 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 12.21
    15 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 12.5
    16 CEU ( ) 12.52
    17 Welsh ( ) 13.15
    18 Czech ( ) 13.22
    19 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 13.39
    20 Icelandic ( ) 13.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 89.8% South_German ( ) + 10.2% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.56
    2 90.3% South_German ( ) + 9.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.65
    3 90.8% South_German ( ) + 9.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.68
    4 73.1% Icelandic ( ) + 26.9% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.75
    5 82.7% Icelandic ( ) + 17.3% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.77
    6 73.6% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 26.4% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.83
    7 91.8% South_German ( ) + 8.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.88
    8 75.3% Icelandic ( ) + 24.7% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.88
    9 85.4% Icelandic ( ) + 14.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.91
    10 83.1% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 16.9% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.94
    11 83.4% North_European ( ) + 16.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.96
    12 92.2% South_German ( ) + 7.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.98
    13 72.5% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 27.5% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 2.99
    14 91.4% Dutch ( ) + 8.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 3
    15 92.1% Dutch ( ) + 7.9% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 3.01
    16 92.7% Dutch ( ) + 7.3% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 3.02
    17 92.5% Dutch ( ) + 7.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 3.03
    18 92.2% Dutch ( ) + 7.8% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 3.03
    19 93.1% Dutch ( ) + 6.9% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 3.03
    20 90.7% Dutch ( ) + 9.3% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 3.04

    Oracle-4:

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_German @ 5.273524
    2 Dutch @ 5.625817
    3 English @ 6.671926
    4 Belgian @ 7.039325
    5 North_European @ 8.340024
    6 Austrian @ 8.450972
    7 North_German @ 8.739245
    8 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.582507
    9 CEU @ 9.677242
    10 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.933514
    11 German_East @ 9.938031
    12 Welsh @ 10.232244
    13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 10.651714
    14 Norwegian_Bergen @ 10.709296
    15 Icelandic @ 11.312730
    16 Orcadian @ 11.866689
    17 Hungarian @ 12.150408
    18 Hungarian_Budapest @ 12.183206
    19 Swede @ 12.485815
    20 Slovenian @ 12.538241

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Montenegrian +50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 3.640328


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +25% Ossetian_Russian +25% South_German @ 3.056089


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 1_LaBrana + 1_Skoglund_farmer + Chechen + Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 1.989448
    2 1_LaBrana + Chechen + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.194523
    3 1_LaBrana + Abkhasian + Basque_French + Montenegrian @ 2.212000
    4 1_LaBrana + Abkhasian + Basque_French + Macedonian @ 2.220616
    5 1_LaBrana + Basque_French + Georgian_Svan + Montenegrian @ 2.244833
    6 1_LaBrana + Basque_Spanish + Chechen + Greek_Peloponnesos @ 2.248581
    7 1_LaBrana + Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.253814
    8 1_Loschbour + Central_Greek + Chechen + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.268405
    9 1_Motala_merge + Balkar + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.295806
    10 1_LaBrana + Adygei + Kosovar + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.299990
    11 1_Skoglund_farmer + Azeri_Dagestan + Estonian + Ukrainian_West @ 2.305297
    12 1_LaBrana + French + French_South + Georgian_Svan @ 2.305854
    13 1_Motala12 + Balkar + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.306162
    14 1_LaBrana + Basque_French + Gagauz + Ossetian @ 2.308188
    15 1_LaBrana + Chechen + French_South + Italian_Piedmont @ 2.327904
    16 1_Loschbour + Central_Greek + Kumyk + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.328134
    17 1_Motala_merge + Basque_French + Central_Greek + Ossetian @ 2.334326
    18 1_Skoglund_farmer + Azeri_Dagestan + Latvian + Slovak @ 2.337797
    19 1_Motala_merge + Adygei + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.340183
    20 1_Motala12 + Basque_French + Central_Greek + Ossetian @ 2.342071

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    Dr_McNinja, can you run my Gedmatch if you get a chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Dr_Mcninja, can you run my Gedmatch if you get a chance?
    Sure, PM me your kit #
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