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    U8b distribution

    U8b1a

    JX153047(Greece)
    JX273294(Ashkenazi)
    JX273296(Ashkenazi)

    U8b1a1

    AY882393(Italy)
    HM590366 FTDNA
    HM852759(Armenian)
    JX153780(Denmark)
    JX153902(Denmark)
    JX153925(Denmark)
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    KC911536(Iran)
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    U8b1a2
    DQ200805(Basque)
    JX273296(Ashkenazi)
    KJ445981(HGDP01254-Algerian)
    KJ445982(HGDP01279-Algerian)

    U8b1b
    JQ705831 Behar
    JX273243(Ashkenazi)
    JX153058(Greece)

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm
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    The Iranian U8b1a1 is Kurdish.

    Kurdish U8b:
    1x U8b1a1 A16066G, G16129A, A16183C, T16189C, C16234T, A73G, G94A, T195C, A263G, 309.1C, 309.2C, 315.1C (Kurds from Iran; Derenko et al., 2007)
    1x U8b1a1 A16066G, G16129A, C16169T, A16183C, T16189C, C16234T, T16311C (Kurds from Iran; Quintana-Murci et al., 2004)
    1x U8b C16111T, T16172C, A16183C, T16189C, T16311C (Kurds from Iran; Quintana-Murci et al., 2004)
    1x U8b (Feyli)
    1x U8b (Zaza from Sivas, originally from Dersim)

    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2013/...na-data-x.html
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    From FTDNA U8 project:

    U8b1a

    x1 USA (Most Distant Ancestor: Eleanor Rhinehart b. 11/15/1868 Ligonier PA)

    U8b1a1

    x1 Italy

    U8b1b

    x1 Portugal
    x1 Canada (Most Distant Ancestor: Marie Laport, c1790 -1823 Montreal )

    U8b1b

    x4 Norway
    x1 Finland
    x2 Germany
    x1 Italy

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

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    My ex is U8b, she is Turkish with ancestry from Konya, in genebank there is another U8b last i checked from Jordan also..

    also see:
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           U8b1 T195C T16189C C16234T
    
     1. GQ360037 FTDNA                       U8b1      20-JUL-2009    A73G T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A3480G        A4769G C5165T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C         A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A14053G C14167T C14766T A15326G T16094C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T T16324C T16519C 
     2. HM050402 FTDNA                       U8b1      13-APR-2010    A73G T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A3480G        A4769G C5165T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10550G A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A14053G C14167T C14766T A15326G T16094C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T T16324C T16519C 
     3. JQ705815 Behar                       U8b1      07-APR-2012    A73G T195C       315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A3480G A3861G A4769G C5165T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C         A11467G         A12308G G12372A A14053G C14167T C14766T A15326G         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T T16324C 
                  U8b1a C6546T A6599G G12771A
    
     4. JX153047(Greece) Raule               U8b1a     10-JAN-2014    A73G       C150T T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G A1943G A2706G               A3480G T3540C A4021T A4769G        C6546T A6599G               C7028T               A8860G G9055A        T9698C A10086G G11016A A11467G         G11719A         A12308G G12372A                 G12771A A13269G C14167T         C14766T G14831A         A15326G                 T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T         T16311C         T16519C 
     5. JX273294(Ashkenazi) Costa            U8b1a     27-SEP-2013    A73G T146C       T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G A3203G T3387C A3480G               A4769G G5262A C6546T A6599G G6899A T6908C C7028T C7043T        A8860G G9055A        T9698C                 A11467G C11668T G11719A T12175C A12308G G12372A A12373G         G12771A         C14167T T14634C C14766T G14831A         A15326G A15758G G16129A                 T16189C          C16234T C16292T T16311C C16327T T16519C 
     6. JX273296(Ashkenazi) Costa            U8b1a     27-SEP-2013    A73G             T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G               A3480G               A4769G        C6546T A6599G               C7028T        C7567T A8860G G9055A C9650T T9698C                 A11467G         G11719A         A12308G G12372A         T12477C G12771A         C14167T         C14766T G14831A C15031T A15326G                 T16172C         T16189C          C16234T         T16311C         T16519C 
                    U8b1a1 G9948A G11914A G16129A
    
     7. AY882393(Italy) Achilli-Rengo        U8b1a1    15-APR-2005                         A73G T146C T195C       A263G               315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G               G3531A                      A4769G                                    C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G T9012C G9055A T9111C A9324G        T9698C        G9948A T10084C                                 A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G A12358G G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T T14484C C14766T         A15326G         A16066G G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C                          C16234T                 T16311C                 T16519C 
     8. HM590366 FTDNA                       U8b1a1    05-JUL-2010                         A73G       T195C       A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G G3316A A3480G        A3808G               A4769G                      T6425A        C6546T A6599G C7028T A7844G        G8251A        A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A                                         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C         A16215G                 A16300G                 C16465T T16519C 
     9. HM852759(Armenian 14) Schoenberg     U8b1a1    17-MAR-2011                         A73G       T195C       A263G               T310C  C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G G2361A A2706G        A3480G                             A4769G T4774N                             C6546T A6599G C7028T                      A8601N A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A         A10306N                         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A T12957C A14047N C14167T         C14766T         A15326G         A15776G G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C                          C16234T 
    10. JX153780(Denmark) Raule              U8b1a1    10-JAN-2014                         A73G       T195C T217C A263G               315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G                             A4769G                             T6515G C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A                         T10632C         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C          G16213A         C16234T                         G16438A 
    11. JX153902(Denmark) Raule              U8b1a1    10-JAN-2014                         A73G       T195C T217C A263G               315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G                             A4769G                             T6515G C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A                         T10632C         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C          G16213A         C16234T                         G16438A 
    12. JX153925(Denmark) Raule              U8b1a1    10-JAN-2014                         A73G       T195C T217C A263G               315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G                             A4769G                             T6515G C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A                         T10632C         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C          G16213A         C16234T                         G16438A 
    13. KC911451(Iran) Derenko               U8b1a1    20-NOV-2013                         A73G       T195C       A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G                      T4733C A4769G        G5417A                      C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G        G9055A               C9573A T9698C G9932A G9948A                 T10454C                 A11467G G11719A G11914A                 G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C                          C16234T                                         T16519C 
    14. KC911536(Iran) Derenko               U8b1a1    20-NOV-2013    T57A T58G 60.1T G71- A73G       T195C T217C A263G 309.1C        315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G               T4373C        A4769G               C5846T               C6546T A6599G C7028T        G7762A               A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C                                               G11176A A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A G12618A G12771A                 C14167T G14364A C14766T G14831A         C15568T         G16129A                 T16189C C16192T                           C16234T C16259T 
    15. KF161759(Denmark) Li                 U8b1a1    01-OCT-2013                         A73G       T195C T217C A263G               315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G        A2706G        A3480G                             A4769G                             T6515G C6546T A6599G C7028T                             A8860G        G9055A                      T9698C        G9948A                         T10632C         A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G         G12372A         G12771A                 C14167T         C14766T         A15326G                 G16129A         A16183- T16189C 16193.1C          G16213A         C16234T                         G16438A 
    ..  23andMe('ironic'-Iranian)            U8b1a1                                         73G                    263G                             523G  750G  1438G  1811G         2706G         3480G                              4769G                                     6546T         7028T                              8860G         9055A                       9698C         9948A                                          11467G  11719A  11914A  12308G          12372A          12771A  14000A          14167T          14766T                                  16129A                                                            16234T                                  16519C 
                    U8b1a2 G14831A
    
    16. DQ200805(Basque) Gonzalez            U8b1a2   13-JUN-2006    A73G T152C A263G 315.1C             A750G A1438G        A2706G G3244A        A4769G A5582G T6378C C6546T A6599G C7028T        A8860G G9055A G9300A        T9698C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A G12771A A13113G C14167T G14364A C14766T G14831A         A15326G         T16189C C16234T C16257T C16259T T16304C         T16519C 
    17. JX273296(Ashkenazi) Costa            U8b1a2   27-SEP-2013    A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G A4769G               C6546T A6599G C7028T C7567T A8860G G9055A        C9650T T9698C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12477C G12771A C14167T         C14766T G14831A C15031T A15326G T16172C T16189C C16234T                         T16311C T16519C 
    18. KJ445981(HGDP01254-Algerian) Zheng   U8b1a2   26-APR-2014    A73G T195C A263G        C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G A4769G               C6546T A6599G C7028T C7567T A8860G G9055A        C9650T T9698C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12477C G12771A C14167T         C14766T G14831A C15031T A15326G T16172C T16189C C16234T                         T16311C T16519C 
    19. KJ445982(HGDP01279-Algerian) Zheng   U8b1a2   26-APR-2014    A73G T195C A263G        C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G A4769G               C6546T A6599G C7028T C7567T A8860G G9055A        C9650T T9698C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12477C G12771A C14167T         C14766T G14831A C15031T A15326G T16172C T16189C C16234T                         T16311C T16519C 
                  U8b1b C5165T T16324C
    
    20. JQ705831 Behar                       U8b1b    07-APR-2012    A73G T146C T195C C198T G207A T236C       A263G 309.1C 315.1C       A750G A1438G A2706G C3432T A3480G        A4769G C5165T               C7028T        A8860G G9055A        T9698C A11467G         G11719A A12308G G12372A G13135A C14167T C14766T A15326G                         A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16234T C16301T         T16324C T16519C 
    21. JX273243(Ashkenazi) Costa            U8b1b    27-SEP-2013    A73G                               A257G A263G 309.1C 315.1C A374G A750G A1438G A2706G        A3480G C3696T A4769G C5165T T5277C        C7028T        A8860G G9055A        T9698C A11467G A11582G G11719A A12308G G12372A C12557T C14167T C14766T A15326G                 A16158G A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16234T         G16319A T16324C T16519C 
    22. JX153058(Greece) Raule               U8b1b    10-JAN-2014    A73G       T195C                                      315.1C       A750G A1438G A2706G        A3480G C3696T A4769G C5165T        G5773A C7028T C7988R A8860G G9055A G9300A T9698C A11467G A11582G G11719A A12308G G12372A C12557T C14167T C14766T A15326G A16037G T16092C         A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16234T                 T16324C T16519C 
                    U8b1b1 A14053G
    
    23. JQ704970 Behar                       U8b1b1   07-APR-2012    A73G T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5165T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10550G A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A14053G C14167T C14766T A15326G A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T T16324C T16519C
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    U8b1a1

    AY882393(Italy)
    HM590366 FTDNA
    HM852759(Armenian)
    JX153780(Denmark)
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    Interesting. That is the first Armenian member of U8 that I have come across. There are no members of U8 in the Armenian DNA Project.

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    The age of this haplogroup, which occurs almost throughout Eurasia, very solid - about 46 thousand years. However, to date, tens of thousands of people whose mitochondrial DNA was studied by scientists, found no more than two hundred carriers of haplogroup U8. All of them are in their cages one of its two variants - U8a or U8b.

    The first "twig" spread across Eurasia: it was even in Tuva and Buryatia. Option U8b occurs predominantly in people of the Middle East. There are two varieties of Russian haplogroup U8, but most still U8a.

    https://www.i-gene.ru/dictionary#gaplogroup_mt_U1-U8

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    Where are they getting their frequencies from? U8 is almost nonexistent among Armenians and Assyrians. But, if one looks at that map, one would get a significantly different picture. The only case I know of is that one Armenian on GenBank that I noted in my post above.

    Does the U8 frequency include mtDNA K? Even then, the frequencies would be way off for certain populations (eg Assyrians and Armenians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    Where are they getting their frequencies from? U8 is almost nonexistent among Armenians and Assyrians. But, if one looks at that map, one would get a significantly different picture. The only case I know of is that one Armenian on GenBank that I noted in my post above.

    Does the U8 frequency include mtDNA K? Even then, the frequencies would be way off for certain populations (eg Assyrians and Armenians).
    I Don't think this map is supper accurate, but it gives some nice info. I think red = most frequent and it doesn't mean it's common among those populations.

    This Russian source also mentions Armenians, but fails to mention that U8b was also found in Denmark, Italy, Norway, Finland, Germany, Greece and Italy. I think both of the sites might have outdated data, unfortunately a lot of popular sites don't even mention mtDNA U8 let alone it's distribution.


    Haplogroup U8 is one of the main branches of the U and distributed in Western Eurasia almost everywhere. U8 is divided into two branches: U8a, very rare and almost exclusively in Europe, and U8b, which in turn splits into two subclades U8b1 and K. The two lines are known in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, with a U8b1 extremely rare and, thus, the vast majority of all known specimens U8 refers to the branch K. frequency U8b1 is rarely exceeds 1%, such as at the Sephardic Jews, Armenians, and in several populations of the eastern Mediterranean. In Europe, its proportion is typically less than 0.15%. The average frequency of U8a in Europe does not exceed 0.4%, but increased in the extreme north and north-east of the continent - to 0.9% from the Swedes, 2.6% in the Karelian and 4.3% of the Chuvash.
    http://gentis.ru/info/mtdna-tutorial/hg-u/u8

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    I transfered my Geno 2.0 results to FTDNA and it showed me this under "mtDNA - Haplogroup Origins". My Great grandma was a Persian from Shiraz.

    HVR1, HVR2, AND CODING REGION MATCHES


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    2 U8b1a1 samples were found in Iran from this study http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0080673

    One of them is a Persian from Khorasan(NE Iran) and the other is a Qashqai from the Amala tribe. About the Amala tribe:

    The ʿAmala of the Qaqāʾī tribe. A Turkic tribe of Fārs, it is the chief tribe of the Qaqāʾī tribal confederacy. These ʿAmalas were originally warriors and workmen attached to the household of the īlḵānī, or paramount chief; recruited from all the Qaqāʾī tribes they constituted the īlḵānīs bodyguard and retinue.In 1918, their number was estimated at 2,000 families (Magee, Tribes, p. 71).


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