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    U5b1b1 origins and distribution

    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Ive noticed that ive got three FGS matches in Europe, in Western Sweden and Krakow Poland. I wonder if this is due to a northward movement of my U5 linage via Central/Eastern Europe into Scandinavia..
    U5b1 probably originated in Iberia during the LGM. U5b1b1 is estimated to be about 8000 years old and is widely distributed across Europe. Did you test at FTDNA and are you in the U5 project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    U5b1 probably originated in Iberia during the LGM. U5b1b1 is estimated to be about 8000 years old and is widely distributed across Europe. Did you test at FTDNA and are you in the U5 project?
    Yes ive tested FGS at FTDNA, listed in the FGS U5 project and other U5 projects, ive also uploaded my data to genebank: GU815340, and Ian logan has several matches for my 16192C! sub-group:

    Italy, Poland and Algeria;
    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Yes ive tested FGS at FTDNA, listed in the FGS U5 project and other U5 projects, ive also uploaded my data to genebank: GU815340, and Ian logan has several matches for my 16192C! sub-group: Italy, Poland and Algeria]
    I have you in U5b1b1 Group J in the project, a proposed new subclade defined by 2 extra coding region mutations, so you would want to focus on samples that share the 2 extra mutations. There is no news on this group since my Jan 26 email - a total of four members in the project, one from Sweden and 2 from the US with unknown country of origin. All of your 1 and 2 step matches at FTDNA are also in this group.

    U5b1b1 is extremely diverse genetically which suggests that it lived in a population that expanded rapidly. It is also very geographically diverse with some branches found in Africa. The age estimate is consistent with the arrival of the Neolithic in Europe. But the identity of the people in whom U5b1b1 originated and the mechanism of the expansion is still a puzzle. I would guess that it expanded in a Neolithic community but I'm not certain. I'm interested in other people's opinion on this.

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    I'm U5b1b tested with geno 2.0
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ 7664023 et al., Pandolfo Guidi, b. ~1515, Ostra Vetere, Marches, Italy
    Maternal: U5b1b*, Delicata Frascone, b. ~1740, Sora, southern Lazio, Italy

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    Europe 100%
    Great Britain31%
    Ireland28%
    Europe West20%
    Scandinavia9%
    Iberian Peninsula8%
    Trace Regions 4%
    Italy/Greece2%
    Europe East2%

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    U5b1b1c is a defunct subclade of U5b1b1, It was originally defined by a mutation at 16093 but this is not a stable marker. If you join the U5 mtDNA project and share the CR results, I can compare your results with others in U5b1b1 and see if you are part of a new subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    U5b1b1c is a defunct subclade of U5b1b1, It was originally defined by a mutation at 16093 but this is not a stable marker. If you join the U5 mtDNA project and share the CR results, I can compare your results with others in U5b1b1 and see if you are part of a new subclade.
    I changed to U5b1b1a by Genebase. How do I share on the project you mention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    I changed to U5b1b1a by Genebase. How do I share on the project you mention?
    R1b (M343+)
    Y-DNA Subclade
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    15,000 years ago near Lake Baikal
    mtDNA Haplogroup (Maternal)
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    Europe 100%
    Great Britain31%
    Ireland28%
    Europe West20%
    Scandinavia9%
    Iberian Peninsula8%

    Trace Regions 4%
    Italy/Greece2%
    Europe East2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomC View Post
    I changed to U5b1b1a by Genebase. How do I share on the project you mention?
    Is there an option to transfer your results to FTDNA? If not, you can PM me a list of mutations relative to the rCRS.

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