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    BritainsDNA project for Wales

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...eoples-7817735

    Don't flame me, I'm not asking anyone to test with BritainsDNA. And I'm not Welsh, so I don't care what they find.

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    It's unfortuante they mention "saharan tribesmen" in the article, still given it will probably be linked to tv program it raises publicity about the avenue of genetic testing. Also it might provide us with some stats (eg. percentages of different alleles etc.) Though problem with these tv programs often is they are often high on "big statements" and low on actual facts.
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    Glad to see they're paying some attention to the Welsh. I hope they avoid all that "Saracen" and "Saharan Tribesmen" horse pucky, but it doesn't look like they will.

    But, as Paul said, maybe we'll get some good stats out of it.
     


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    I can't wait to see the Y results. Will they get published? I've traced my grandfather's Griffith's to Cardigan Wales and he is R-CTS1751 (L21>DF13>CTS1751). His matches, and the few other's I've found, are mainly from Scotland, Wales, and some English. Makes me wonder if it's an older lineage in the isles, pushed to the margins by the Anglo-Saxon/Viking invasions? It appears to be a rare lineage, presently, but not too many Welsh samples seem to be out there. I'm hoping they'll find more CTS1751 guys with this test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little bit View Post
    I can't wait to see the Y results. Will they get published? I've traced my grandfather's Griffith's to Cardigan Wales and he is R-CTS1751 (L21>DF13>CTS1751). His matches, and the few other's I've found, are mainly from Scotland, Wales, and some English. Makes me wonder if it's an older lineage in the isles, pushed to the margins by the Anglo-Saxon/Viking invasions? It appears to be a rare lineage, presently, but not too many Welsh samples seem to be out there. I'm hoping they'll find more CTS1751 guys with this test.
    Since BritainsDNA appears to be in charge of it, they'll probably report their findings in terms of S-series SNP names. Is there one for CTS1751? I have the spreadsheet of S-series equivalents on my home computer, but I'm not at home right now. Maybe someone else knows what it is.

    I also want to see what they turn up in Wales for DF41, which is S524 in BritainsDNA terminology.
     


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    Post deleted; BritainsDNA reference to R1b-S300 as Welsh marker is old news.
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    Since BritainsDNA appears to be in charge of it, they'll probably report their findings in terms of S-series SNP names. Is there one for CTS1751?
    My grandfather's results for FTDNA shows L195, right next to CTS1751, to be presumed positive, so maybe S354? Otherwise, I don't have that spreadsheet and I don't know.

    Edit: On my grandfather's FTDNA page, his Y DNA haplogroup banner shows 'R-CTS1751' but his FamilyTreeDNA printable certificate indicates he's assigned to "Haplogroup R-L195." Therefore, I'll be looking for S354's in BritainsDNA results.
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    Ok further update:

    Looks like CTS1751 has it's own 'S' name: CTS1751/S3666

    I'm trying to determine, on FTDNA's forum, whether my grandfather's presumed positive result for L195, and assignment of R-L195 on his printable certificate is in error or not:
    http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...482#post392482

    If L195 is an error, then I will be looking for S3666 guys in BritainsDNA's results
    If L195 is correctly presumed positive, then S354 guys in BritainsDNA's results.

    Ugh!
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    I have to say that I think Dr. Jim Wilson of BritainsDNA is an outstanding individual (as is Bennett Greenspan of FTDNA, btw), and I recommend getting confirmation from BritainsDNA of SNP results from any other company, where possible. I just think a second opinion is worth having, if one can afford it. I don't mean to say that any of the dna testing companies is unreliable, - I don't think that at all - just that it is good to get confirmation.

    It makes me feel better knowing that BritainsDNA confirmed my FTDNA results.
     


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    R1b-L371 / R1b-S300 Group is a wonderful and unique Hg.

    The "R1b-L371 Adam" originated about ~5000 YBP (Years Before Present) in Wales.

    At least 23 "Ancient" Public Level R1b-L371 Y-SNPs were discovered in 2014 by 12 men in The Wales Discovery Group. (This includes the original Gough R1b-L371 SNP discovered in a 2010 WTY FTDNA test by Thomas K now at YSEQ).

    About .08% (1 in 1,190) of Y-DNA tested men Worldwide are in the R1b-L371 Hg. R1b-L371 Group Ancestral Homelands in the UK / Wales might have "R-L371 frequency hotspot percentages" which are likely to be 3 to 6 times higher ... .3% UK to .6% Wales.

    Extensive 2015 and 2016 testing will be done in Wales on 7 surname groups. Results will be correlated against other large studies such as the soon to be released POBI (People of the British Isles). http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/

    The R1b-L371 Group "likely does" include living descendants of Welsh Kings & Welsh Princes.

    The Welsh political leader, Dafydd Iwan, of Plaid Cymru is in the R1b-L371 Hg as tested by the Labs headed up by Dr. Jim Wilson where he refers to this as the R-S300 SNP (which he did not originally isolate and discover .... it was an "L" series after Leo Little .... and named L371 at a US Lab)

    A R1b-L371 man, Rhys ap Thomas (and his men), has the best LR (Likelyhood Ratio) for having delivered the fatal 1485 blow(s) to King Richard III.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhys_ap_Thomas We have a Thomas descendant in our Group.

    "The contemporary Welsh poet Guto'r Glyn implies a leading Welsh Lancastrian Rhys ap Thomas, or one of his men, killed the king, writing that he "killed the boar, shaved his head". The identification in 2013 of King Richard's body shows that the skeleton had 11 wounds, nine of them to the skull, clearly inflicted in battle and suggesting he had lost his helmet. Professor Guy Rutty, from the University of Leicester, said: "The most likely injuries to have caused the king's death are the two to the inferior aspect of the skull – a large sharp force trauma possibly from a sword or staff weapon, such as a halberd or bill (the kind Thomas used), and a penetrating injury from the tip of an edged weapon."http://www.castlewales.com/rhysap.html

    It's nice to see some Welsh Y-DNA Hg news to Niall this down on this Isle versus all the attention to Irish Y-DNA such as R-M222. All the R1b-L371 men in the Wales Discovery Group will be having a good Welsh Penderyn Whiskey on March 1, 2015, St Davids Day. No Jameson's Whiskey drinkers!

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