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    WingGenealogist could I submit my data to your project ( tested with DNA Cymru ) or would I need to test again please, if it may contribute something? John

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    Mt motherline results are J1c1b2a "First Farmers", who I understand reached Britain during the early Neolithic. Is it reasonable to assume my ancestry here probably goes back that far please? I'm just wondering about the possibility of it being introduced during later waves of migration. John

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    WingGenealogist could I submit my data to your project ( tested with DNA Cymru ) or would I need to test again please, if it may contribute something? John
    There is no way to transfer your DNA Cymru results over to the FTDNA R1b-U106 Haplogroup Project. However, if you test for A312 at YSEQ.net, we could use your results to add to our U106 tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    Mt motherline results are J1c1b2a "First Farmers", who I understand reached Britain during the early Neolithic. Is it reasonable to assume my ancestry here probably goes back that far please? I'm just wondering about the possibility of it being introduced during later waves of migration. John
    This is an intelligent question, as there is always a possibility of someone arriving from a neighbouring country carrying the very same haplogroup that has been around locally for centuries or even millennia. However you are lucky. You have arrived in genetic genealogy at a time when it is possible not just to test for the basic haplogroups, like mtDNA H, J, U etc, but for their much younger subclades like the one you carry - J1c1b2a, which is about 760 years old (according to Behar 2012) = 1255 AD. So there is greater hope of tracking your lineage to something more specific than 'first farmers'.

    If you check my table of Neolithic DNA, you will see that:
    J1c was present among early farmers in Hungary around 5720-5660 BC.
    J1c1 was present in Hungary 5210-4990 BC.
    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/eur...ithicdna.shtml

    After that we have a shortage of J1c1, but as more ancient DNA appears, particularly from the British Isles, you may be able to track your line.
    Last edited by Jean M; 04-07-2015 at 01:58 PM.

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    ^^ Interestingly, my own mtDNA haplogroup (J1c5) was found in one of the BB samples (QUEXII4) from the recent Haak et al. paper.
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    Very interesting indeed. J1c in mainland Britain does seem to correlate best with the Celtic speaking hold outs in the western extremes of the island. So an association with BB is very exciting! Fingers crossed for a J1c8 to pop up
     
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    Sorry with all the questions. I was a bit surprised when my DNA results listed some "Native American", being in the UK. Doing a little digging, I read that this is, more accurately, Central Asian reflecting the influence of the Hun Invasion and it does sometimes show up in Germanic descent. Is this true and is it of any particular relevance in terms of origins? Thanks.

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    What might a A312 SNP test reveal please in relation to my U106 group? I am happy to have one done if it might contribute something useful. A friend involved in a DNA research group thought my raw data might be of interest. John

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    What might a A312 SNP test reveal please in relation to my U106 group? I am happy to have one done if it might contribute something useful. A friend involved in a DNA research group thought my raw data might be of interest. John
    The U106 Project is working on estimating the time and place for many of the subclades. This work is very preliminary and needs to be treated with a grain of salt. That being said, getting people to drill down to the most recent SNP possible helps us refine the estimates.

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    Hi Im new here and have been given the subtype I-S1954 for my fatherline. It is a relatively rare group which is more common in Wales.

    Please could you give me any advice on getting started as I dont have any anecdotal or written information on that side of the family at all.

    It would for instance be very good to know which part of Wales the group originated and associated surnames.

    Being new to this Im afraid I'm not very clear on how this works so apologies if this is not the way to start looking.

    The lineage going backwards from my fatherline group is I-S1954 , S337 , S246 S244 S438 then (a box containing) I-M253 ,S111 and M307. then M258.

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