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    New subclade of Roots M223+

    Enough L1230+ have now been found to conclude there is a definite subclade of Roots clade, this subclade being M223+ L1229+ L1230+ and having some STR values allowing further members to be identified from our present databases.

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    is there an actual datafile listing the STR motives for roots and continental? I know another german M223, 43 steps away from me, so probably in Roots.
    I don't have the eye for jugding this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaender View Post
    is there an actual datafile listing the STR motives for roots and continental? I know another german M223, 43 steps away from me, so probably in Roots.
    I don't have the eye for jugding this.
    Such a file once existed publically, and a better one has been under production, but various issues have delayed it going online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottraveler View Post
    Such a file once existed publically, and a better one has been under production, but various issues have delayed it going online.
    yes, I remember, but couldn't find it anymore. Would you mind me to send you the Y-search number of my german friend? I really would be interested in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaender View Post
    yes, I remember, but couldn't find it anymore. Would you mind me to send you the Y-search number of my german friend? I really would be interested in this.
    Not sure what you are asking? If you are in that clade/cluster with 12 at DYS531, you have co-cladsters from Germany under surnames Wicklein and Braun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottraveler View Post
    If you are in that clade/cluster with 12 at DYS531, you have co-cladsters from Germany under surnames Wicklein and Braun.
    I actually have 12 at DYS531, but belong to continental 2a. He has 11 at DYS531, but is probably in roots. To be true, I cannot judge it from looking at his results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaender View Post
    I actually have 12 at DYS531, but belong to continental 2a. He has 11 at DYS531, but is probably in roots. To be true, I cannot judge it from looking at his results.
    Unless I am mistaking you with another haplotype with same surname, you are not in basic or generic Continental-2. The 2a class I think is now history; we have had months and months of peeling off pieces of Continental-2 into other haplogroups and clades. If you are in the cluster/clade with Braun, then you are even in another sub-haplogroup.

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    Oops! Yes I see the difficulty. The development has gone concentrating on new SNP's, which one has to afford. There are also Zender and Zander with different haplogroups. To make sure, my Y-search identity is FXHD8, that of the other German 824ZW.
    Maybe after the SNP run the STR's will form clear pattern again.

    I'm willing to change my signature, but have no clue into what? Just M223 - I2a2a - or more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaender View Post
    Oops! Yes I see the difficulty. The development has gone concentrating on new SNP's, which one has to afford. There are also Zender and Zander with different haplogroups. To make sure, my Y-search identity is FXHD8, that of the other German 824ZW.
    Maybe after the SNP run the STR's will form clear pattern again.

    I'm willing to change my signature, but have no clue into what? Just M223 - I2a2a - or more?
    You are the same haplotype as I have in my database. You are in the subhaplogroup with Braun and Johnston. You should test positive (derived) for L1290 if you choose to do that snp measurement.

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    thank you!
    I found this site, working with the new assignments and haplotype motives:

    http://www.semargl.me/de/dna/ydna/ha...ble-color/344/

    if this is correct for you, it would put me into:
    I2-I2a2a5-Cont
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