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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    If you notice for ANE there is not only an eastern cline but also a northern one.
    Samara EHG is further east of Karelia EHG but lower in ANE than the latter. Therefore, my thinking has been that ANE looks to be not only Siberian but also Arctic. We know that ANE got to the Americas across a bridge bordering the Arctic. And we have some of the oldest settlements at Yana - http://science.sciencemag.org/content/303/5654/52 -likely an ANE population.

    "Based on archaeological evidence, humans did not survive the last ice age’s peak in northeastern Siberia, and yet there is no evidence they had reached Alaska or the rest of the New World either. While there is evidence to suggest northeast Siberia was inhabited during a warm period about 30,000 years ago before the last ice age peaked, after this the archaeological record goes silent, and only returns 15,000 years ago, after the last ice age ended.

    So where did the ancestors of the Native Americans go for 15,000 years, after they split from the rest of their Asian relatives?...As John Hoffecker, Dennis O'Rourke and I argue in an article for Science, the answer seems to be that they lived on the Bering Land Bridge, the region between Siberia and Alaska ..." http://theconversation.com/first-ame...suggests-23747

    "The Yana RHS archaeological site is located near the mouth of the Yana River in Siberia, 500 km north of the Arctic Circle ... Yana RHS is an important site because it demonstrates that humans had adapted to a harsh Arctic environment much earlier than was previously thought. In addition, the site’s location near the Bering Land Bridge and its early occupation date may ultimately offer clues to help resolve some of the questions about the first peopling of the Americas."
    http://www.sfu.museum/journey/an-en/...secondary/yana
    So you can see that the East Asians better said Siberian people with the indigenous people of America do not have the same directly but the first inhabitants of America split off much earlier and have gone their own way. Really interesting because you have to change the general textbooks, Thanks Parasar
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Update in reference to South Asia:

    1. R1a - M420 xM459 YP4132+ Punjabi

    2. M459 line

    M417 (xZ282, xZ95) southern India

    Khanabadoshi Z283 Y17491 YP4858
    and
    Z93/F992/S202 + Z2479/M746/S4583/V3664
    Z93* 1 Konkani, 1 Marathi, 2 Pakistan South, 1 India North, 1 India East, 1 India Northeast, 1 India Northwest

    HG03705 Punjabi PJL (xZ94/F3105/V1981, xZ95/F3568), YP1506+


    Poltavka Z94/F3105/V1981 ~4800 years
    +? 1SNP Z95/F3568

    + 1SNP M780/Y26

    Z94+ Z95+ M780+ (xV1981/Y27/M634, xY3/F2597/M727) B163+ Cossack, Zaporozhie, Ukraine ~4600 years

    + 2 SNPs Y3/F2957/M727, Y27/M634/V1981

    Z94+ M780+ M634+ (xL657/S347), F1417+ Tajik, Ishkasim Y3?
    Z94+ M780+ F1417+ China* Y3, M634? https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0105691.s005


    Z94+ M780+ Y3+M634+ (xL657/S347), Saudi YF08866
    Z94+ M780+ Y3+ (xL657/S347), Kazakhastan M634?

    L657xY9 South Asia ~ 3900 years

    L657-Y9/V4070 South Asia ~ 3600 years

    *
    YCH99 R1a1a* M17+, M198+, M434-, M458- F CAACT Han Fujian HiSeq2000 paired-end Good 9.51
    YCH115 R1a1a* M17+, M198+, M434-, M458- F CGATT Han Shanxi HiSeq2000 paired-end Good 6.88

    8857759 8797759 F1417 A G x R1a 1 107 2
    Two additional Z93xZ94 lines from India

    R-Y34351 Y35117 * Y34292 * Y35118+4 SNPsformed 4700 ybp, TMRCA 3800 ybpinfo
    R-Y34286 Y34289 * Y34290 * Y34286+19 SNPs
    id:ERR445307IND
    id:ERR445305IND

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y34351/


    R-YP5585 YP5586 * YP5585formed 4700 ybp, TMRCA 4600 ybpinfo
    R-YP5585*
    id:YF11130IND [IN-MP]
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP5585*/

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    If you notice for ANE there is not only an eastern cline but also a northern one.
    Samara EHG is further east of Karelia EHG but lower in ANE than the latter. Therefore, my thinking has been that ANE looks to be not only Siberian but also Arctic. We know that ANE got to the Americas across a bridge bordering the Arctic. And we have some of the oldest settlements at Yana - http://science.sciencemag.org/content/303/5654/52 -likely an ANE population.

    "Based on archaeological evidence, humans did not survive the last ice age’s peak in northeastern Siberia, and yet there is no evidence they had reached Alaska or the rest of the New World either. While there is evidence to suggest northeast Siberia was inhabited during a warm period about 30,000 years ago before the last ice age peaked, after this the archaeological record goes silent, and only returns 15,000 years ago, after the last ice age ended.

    So where did the ancestors of the Native Americans go for 15,000 years, after they split from the rest of their Asian relatives?...As John Hoffecker, Dennis O'Rourke and I argue in an article for Science, the answer seems to be that they lived on the Bering Land Bridge, the region between Siberia and Alaska ..." http://theconversation.com/first-ame...suggests-23747

    "The Yana RHS archaeological site is located near the mouth of the Yana River in Siberia, 500 km north of the Arctic Circle ... Yana RHS is an important site because it demonstrates that humans had adapted to a harsh Arctic environment much earlier than was previously thought. In addition, the site’s location near the Bering Land Bridge and its early occupation date may ultimately offer clues to help resolve some of the questions about the first peopling of the Americas."
    http://www.sfu.museum/journey/an-en/...secondary/yana
    Yep this ancient signal plays out in modern admix calcs like Harappa where higher Indo-Aryan steppe comes with (excess) Amerindian (American), Beringian, Siberian components.

    Kalash 2% Siberian, 1% American, 2% Beringian
    Haryana Jatt 1% Siberian, 2% American, 1% Beringian

    Even the Paniya have 2% Siberian and 1% American from their ancient ANE exposure
    Last edited by bmoney; Yesterday at 02:06 AM.
    Ancients nmonte: [1] "distance%=2.8958": Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,82.2, Sintashta_MLBA,17.8

    SC Asian ancients with the same uniparental lines:
    Y-dna: BMAC Bustan_BA K1a1 L1a, BMAC Sappali_Tepe_BA U7a3 L1a, Pakistan_IA_Aligrama_all L1a, Loebanr_IA_father T2g1 L1a, SPGT Loebanr_IA L1a, SPGT Loebanr_IA R30b1 L1a, SPGT Loebanr_IA L1a, Saidu Sharif_IA R6b L1a
    Mtdna: Butkara_IA M30b J1, Butkara_IA M30b, Udegram_IA M30+16234, Saidu_Sharif_IA M30, Saidu_Sharif_IA M30d1

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