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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Not sure how many were sampled but im assuming R1b forms less than 0.1% of Indonesian lineages
    Could be because of Dutch admixture ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pnb123 View Post
    Could be because of Dutch admixture ?
    True didn't think of that - but India was a British colony and Anglo-Indians are a small %

    I think the Dutch-Indonesian mixed descendants are called Indos so form a separate community

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    Quote Originally Posted by pnb123 View Post
    Could be because of Dutch admixture ?
    For that it has be present in the Dutch, right?
    If these are not only M269- but true L389-, unlikely to be Dutch, as the ones I had listed in post 1511 I think are the only known L278+L389- samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post

    I think the Dutch-Indonesian mixed descendants are called Indos so form a separate community
    I'm not sure about it. I've encountered an Indonesian some years ago, and he stated that his grandmother was half-French. From other sources, having minor European ancestry seems quite common (at least in the main cities).

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    On the parallel side, for R1b:
    L278+ L389-
    N93357 Joshi
    267597 Varanasi
    Tajik1 http://genome.cshlp.org/content/earl....full.pdf+html
    bhu-0984 (Bhutan) https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/32/3/661/977118

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    Bali (with many South Asian lines): 2 R-P25 https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/27/8/1833/988857
    It appears that Uygur 1299 from the HGDP sample of Uygurs in China also belongs to that basal R1b clade.

    There are also members from Turkey (including one who appears to have known Armenian ancestry), Bahrain, Italy, and Germany.

    R1b1b-PH155 has split into two subclades, R1b1b1-M335 and R1b1b2-PH200, approximately 7,300 [95% CI 6,100 <-> 8,700] years ago according to YFull YTree v6.01. R1b1b1-M335 has been found in individuals sampled in (or who have reported ancestry from) Turkey, Italy, Germany, Ladakh, and Yunnan. R1b1b2-PH200 has been found in individuals sampled in (or who have reported ancestry from) Turkey, Bahrain, and Bhutan. As far as I know, it has not been determined precisely to which subclade the "Varanasi" Indian, the Tajik, the Uygur, and the Balinese individuals belong. However, in regard to the Uygur, note that Zhong et al. 2011 have reported finding R1b-M343(xR1b1b1-M335, R1b1a1a1-M73, R1b1a1a2-M269) in 1/115 = 0.9% Han in Shandong and 6/187 = 3.2% Uygurs in Xinjiang; these individuals, if they do not belong to R1b1a2-V88, most likely will turn out to belong to R1b1b2-PH200 like the individuals from Bahrain and Bhutan (and two of the three known members of R1b1b-PH155 from Turkey).

    Di Cristofaro et al. 2013 have reported finding R1b-M343(xM478, M73, M269) in 2/186 = 1.1% Iranians [1/42 Esfahan, 1/27 Gilan], 1/37 = 2.7% Tajiks in Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan, 1/35 = 2.9% Tajiks in Takhar Province, Afghanistan, and 4/94 = 4.3% Uzbeks in Jawzjan Province, Afghanistan. Again, if any of these individuals do not belong to R1b1a2-V88, then they may belong to R1b1b-PH155, but it is unclear whether they should belong to R1b1b1-M335 or rather to R1b1b2-PH200.

    According to YFull YTree v6.01, two members of R1b1b2a-PH2467 from Bahrain (these two individuals have a recent common ancestor) should share a MRCA with a member of R1b1b2-PH200(xR1b1b2a-PH2467) from Konya, Turkey approximately 5,800 [95% CI 4,500 <-> 7,100] ybp.

    Please recall that Armenian modal type/Yamna modal type R1b (i.e. R1b-Z2103) also has been found in Chinese, Bhutanese, Indians, Central Asians, etc.

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