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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I would not use Kashkarachi for the Swat IA , using Sintashta is far better I noticed , esp considering some of the samples are between 1500-1200 BC.
    I didn't really 'use' Kashkarchi, that's what nmonte selected. It's a marginal difference between Kashkarchi and Sintashta anyways.

    Yes because the IVCp is not the main source population for these people. Also you have to add a more AASI rich source , I typically use SIS 3 or combo of SIS3/Saidu Outlier .
    Ami, Australian, and Anzick pretty well define the East Eurasian side of things, there was no problem fitting to those references using just Indus_Periphery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    I didn't really 'use' Kashkarchi, that's what nmonte selected. It's a marginal difference between Kashkarchi and Sintashta anyways.


    Ami, Australian, and Anzick pretty well define the East Eurasian side of things, there was no problem fitting to those references using just Indus_Periphery.
    Not really , AASI is not captured by those groups and they are not proximal to South Asia at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eterne View Post
    Possibly old news in this big thread, but thought this might be worth sharing from an October 2018 presentation by Reich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef4OlJwzxxE).
    ...
    A bit surprised that Reich while also complimenting put Cavalli-Sforza in the light of being proven wrong.
    Sforza from a few loci essentially said what Reich from his whole genome analysis is saying: Modern Europe in simple terms = HG Europe + Neolithic Farmers types + Steppe varieties.
    "The first component is almost superimposable to the archaeological dates of the spread of farming from the Middle East between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago."
    "The third is very similar to the spread of pastoral nomads (and their successors) who domesticated the horse in the steppe towards the end of the farming expansion, and are believed by some archaeologists and linguists to have spread most Indo-European languages to Europe."
    "The second principal component parallels a probable spread of Uralic people and/or languages to the northeast of Europe."
    "The fourth is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C."
    "The fifth corresponds to the progressive retreat of the boundary of the Basque language. Basques have retained, in addition to their language, believed to be descended from an original language spoken in Europe, some of their original genetic characteristics."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Not really , AASI is not captured by those groups and they are not proximal to South Asia at all.
    If ASE were higher or lower in Swat, Ami, Australian, and Anzick would not be correctly fit to, as ASE is an East Eurasian branch that shares drift with all of those groups.
    Australian is kind of it's own branch (along with Papuans/etc.) to measure general East Eurasian levels (in conjunction with Ust_Ishim as essentially a Eurasian baseline), and Ami makes sure that East Eurasian isn't coming from East Asia.
    Would Onge in the columns make you feel better? There's no problems fitting to that either.
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    https://synapse.koreamed.org/DOIx.ph....2018.51.3.200
    "Archaeologists in India often have argued over the historical meaning of joint burials [12, 13]. For instance, a Harappan joint burial discovered at Lothal was regarded as a probable instance of a widow's self-sacrifice (suicide) demonstrative of grief over her husband's death... We also ruled out that this grave might have been associated with any funeral customs by which widows take their own lives shortly after the husband's death (e.g., Sati)."
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/healt...ntl/index.html
    "Between 4500 and 2500 BC, the bodies of a couple, believed to be married, were placed carefully side by side in an ancient burial site of the Harappans, one of the world's earliest civilizations ..."The couple's burial ... should not be considered to have been the outcome of any specific funeral customs commonly performed at that time," the study said, referring to a ritual in which a wife would kill herself after the death of her husband. "Rather, it is more plausible that two individuals died at or almost at the same time, and that therefore, they had been buried together in the same grave.""


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    The Shahr I Sokta couple was famous when it came out in the 70s, that pic reminds me of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    The Shahr I Sokta couple was famous when it came out in the 70s, that pic reminds me of that.
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    Yes we have seen quite a few of these couple burials spread around the world.

    The couple from Rakhigarhi though is typically Harappa.
    Supine position - lying on the back, fully flat, with no crouching.
    Laid north-south with head towards the north.

    Typical Harappan:

    The marking arrow is pointing north. Cemetery (R-37) at Harappa. (J. M. Kenoyer, Courtesy Department of Archaeology and Museums, Government of Pakistan)


    Even now the dead body (shav) is laid in the supine flat position and the head is kept pointing north upon death (prior to cremation).
    The theory is that Yam's abode (lok) is in the south and the dead body's being/energy is thus taken to Yam's abode in the most efficient manner!

    Shavasan yog:


    Shav:
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Listing the Swat Y again in some historical context:

    Swat Valley, Pakistan
    Iron Age (Indo Aryan) Proto-historic period


    Udegram_IA
    (Iron hair pins, double burials as an “Indo-Aryan antecedent” of the sati custom, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...7D4B5EAB2CD71E )
    S7725 E1b1b1b2 1200-800 BCE
    S8191 E1b1b1b2 1200-800 BCE
    S8195. E1b1b1b2 1200-800 BCE
    S8194 H1a1a 1100-900 BCE
    I3261 DE 1200-800 BCE
    I1992 E1a 1195-978 calBCE
    I6899 E1b1b1b2 1044-830 cal BCE
    I6900 E1b1b1b2 1400-1126 cal BCE
    I1985 E1b1b1b2a 1192-939 calBCE
    I3262 E1b1b1b2a 976-832 calBCE
    I1799 E1b1b1b2 1044-922 calBCE

    Udegram_IA_LC (Disregard)
    I6197 A0-T 1200-800 BCE
    I6194 CT 1376-1041 cal BCE

    Barikot_IA (carving of two-wheeled war chariot).
    I6548 H1a1 1000-800 BCE

    Katelai_IA (horse burial https://books.google.com/books?id=juivCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA33)
    I5396 J2a1 904-817 calBCE
    I5399 R2a3a 1000-800 BCE

    Loebanr_IA (two horse representations https://www.jstor.org/stable/2975736...n_tab_contents)
    S10001 L1a 1300-1000 BCE
    S10974 L1a 900-800 BCE
    S8998 R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2b1a2 1000-800 BCE
    I6553 C1b1a1a1 971-834 calBCE
    I6555 L1a 906-820 calBCE
    I5400 Q1b2 927-831 calBCE
    I6554 L1a 831-796 calBCE

    Aligrama_IA (Andronovo skull type)
    I8220 L1a 970-550 BCE
    I8246 G2a2a 970-550 BCE
    I8245 R2a3a2b2b1 Aligrama_IA 970-550 BCE


    Swat Valley, Pakistan
    Historic (Buddhist) Period


    Saidu_Sharif_IA
    I6891 R1a1a1b 500-300 BCE
    S7721 L1a 500-300 BCE
    S7718 Q1b2 403-360 calBCE

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_LC (Disregard)
    I2955 A 431-381 calBCE

    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o (Outlier)
    S7722 R2a3a2b 500-300 BCE

    Butkara_IA
    I6549 J1 167-46 calBCE
    I6550 J1 41 calBCE - 57 calCE


    Notes:

    Q1b2, while ultimately likely from the ANEs, is at present a west and south Asian (mainly) line.
    The L1a in Swat all xM27. M27 was seen in Chalcolithic Armenia and at present is the main South Asian line but is absent in the Swat samples.
    Sample S8998 designated R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2b1a2 is likely R2.

    Genomic analysis of Andamanese provides insights into ancient human migration into Asia and adaptation.
    Some of the Y calls are surprising, but here they are:

    Irula
    C2
    C2
    E1a
    E1a
    E1a
    E1a
    E1a
    H1b2
    H3a2a
    L1a1

    Birhor
    A
    C2
    C2
    C2
    E1a
    H1a1d2c1b1
    H1a1d2c1b1
    H1a1d2c1b1
    H1a1d2c1b1

    Jarawa
    C2
    D1
    D1
    D1

    Onge
    C2
    C2
    C2
    C2
    D1
    D1

    Riang
    C2
    E1a2
    J
    O1b1a1a1b1a
    O2a2b1a1a6
    O2a2b1a1a6a
    O2a2b1a1a6b
    O2a2b1a1a6b
    O2a2b1a1a6b
    O2a2b1a1a6b3

    For comparison Lanka:
    C1b1a1a1
    H1a1a1
    H1a1d2b2a
    H1a1d2b2a
    H1a1d2b3a
    H1a1d2c1b1a
    H1a1d2c1b1a
    H1a1d2c1b1a
    H1a1d2c1b1a
    H1a1d2c1b1a
    H1b2a
    H3a2a1
    H3a2a2
    H3a2b
    H3a2b
    H3b1
    H3b1
    J2a1
    J2a1
    J2a1c
    J2a1c
    J2a1h2d
    J2b2
    J2b2
    J2b2
    L1a1
    L1a1
    L1a1
    L1a1
    L1a1
    L1a1
    L1a2
    L1a2
    L1a2
    L1a2
    Q1a2
    Q1a2
    R1a1a1b2a
    R1a1a1b2a1
    R1a1a1b2a1
    R1a1a1b2a1a
    R1a1a1b2a1a
    R1a1a1b2a1a
    R1a1a1b2a1b
    R1a1a1b2a1b
    R1a1a1b2a1b
    R1a1a1b2a1b
    R1a1a1b2a2a
    R1a1a1b2a2a
    R1a1a1b2a2a
    R1a1a1b2a2a
    R1a1a1b2a2a
    R2a3a2b2b
    R2a3a2b2b
    R2a3a2b2c

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    I feel like I've seen these before, Parasar, but where? They aren't in the paper or supplement of "Genomic analysis of the Andamanese". The Y chromosomes of (some of) the same samples are in "Y-chromosomal sequences of diverse Indian populations and the ancestry of the Andamanese", and are now on the YFull tree, but they are normal (no E1a, A, or C2).

    Edit: wait, were these from Narasimhan et al's awful Y haplogroup caller?
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