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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    The age of a haplogroup is only half the story. The other half is when a particular haplogroup or subclade arrived in a particular continent or region or place. For example A1 is a very ancient haplogroup, but I would expect it to have arrived very recently in South Asia (if it is there at all), because it does not seem to have left Africa in the initial migrations that populated Eurasia and the Americas.
    for example, R created in SE-Asia
    R1 created in Central Asia
    R2 created in south Asia

    all are different places of origin................but some seem to think that a claim of R1 in central Asia represends origins of R

    Basically, people do not give detailed accounts when claiming an origin of a marker or subclade.

    In regards to your example of A1, ....the likely scenario is that it traveled with the rest of the people that migrated eventually to SE-Asia , but it never mutated. Whoever left africa , left in many different old Haplogroups, there was no distinction of this old haplogroup remained behind.

    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4o
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d1-P109
    Maternal side Grandfather .......R1b-S8172
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

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    Here's what Genographic Project grantee Dr. Swarkar Sharma had to say on September 24, 2014:

    Genographic Project Research in India Looks to Add Deep Branches to Our Human Family Tree

    The path along India’s coast is thought to be the original human migratory route from Africa. Today India is home to many distinct languages and cultures. Genographic research extends to the Jammu and Kashmir state where present day and ancient history combine.

    Genographic Project grantee Dr. Swarkar Sharma wants to share a story – the rich and ancient history of the people of northern India. The story he wants to tell is hidden in the foothills of the world’s tallest mountains in the landlocked Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, but also locked in the DNA of the residents of this majestic region. Through the analysis of the DNA, Dr. Sharma is looking to unlock the stories of the region by collaborating with the local people and revealing their fascinating ancient history......

    Previous genetic research in India has revealed very deep branches, or haplogroups, of the human family tree. India is home to maternal macro-haplogroups M and N, among others, the presumed grandmothers to all non-African maternal lineages. With regards to paternal haplogroups, India is the birthplace of haplogroup R1, the most common group in Europe; haplogroup Q, the grandfather of most Native American lineages; and even haplogroups C and D, the oldest paternal branches outside of Africa. India is also home to its own unique haplogroups – such as H and L – found almost nowhere else in the world. The diversity and history of the region are both rich and complex, and we are just now starting to piece them together.


    http://voices.nationalgeographic.com...n-family-tree/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    India is the birthplace of haplogroup R1
    I'm pretty sure this is still up for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrdad View Post
    I'm pretty sure this is still up for debate.
    I felt sure someone would point that out! He seems puzzling confident on Q, C and D as well.

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    What about those maps released by National Geographic recently, with I2 shown arriving in Europe during the Neolithic?

    I have a feeling the people there don't really know much apart from what they read 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    I felt sure someone would point that out! He seems puzzling confident on Q, C and D as well.
    I would take that confidence with a bucket of salt!

    Dr. Sharma is the author of the (in)famous R1a1 originated in India paper - http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v5...jhg20082a.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19158816.
    Also the Q5 paper. IMO both these papers are not to be relied upon. He did admit mistakes after I pointed them out to him but despite requests to him and Bamezai, to see the underlying STR data, which he said he would provide as well as publish, nothing has been forthcoming. Not many people perhaps besides the initial peer reviewers for Nature and Journal of Human Genetics have reviewed them. Hector/Manthus on this forum I believe has seen them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    In regards to your example of A1, ....the likely scenario is that it traveled with the rest of the people that migrated eventually to SE-Asia , but it never mutated. Whoever left africa , left in many different old Haplogroups, there was no distinction of this old haplogroup remained behind.
    If A1 had been part of the OoA migration it would have mutated in the subsequent 60,000 years, and if that lineage survived outside of Africa, we would find an extremely old branch of A1 that is uniquely non-African today. If you are claiming that there is no distinction between haplogroups that left Africa and those that did not, we know that's incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    If A1 had been part of the OoA migration it would have mutated in the subsequent 60,000 years, and if that lineage survived outside of Africa, we would find an extremely old branch of A1 that is uniquely non-African today. If you are claiming that there is no distinction between haplogroups that left Africa and those that did not, we know that's incorrect.
    Not really, as in my marker , there are many T-M184 (basal )in southern Germany who have no mutation. Clearly T did not originate in southern Germany with this basal marker, regardless what natgeno says. even ifs its states between 3% and 22%
    How did these no mutated people get to Germany without mutating after 50000 plus years?

    In regards A1 , I am saying not every A1 that left africa mutated , some could have mutated only in the bronze-age

    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4o
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d1-P109
    Maternal side Grandfather .......R1b-S8172
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

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    It is striking how close the Y and mtDNA distribution in Maldives is to the rest of the Subcontinent:






    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...jpa.22256/full

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    Posted by Chad Rohfsen @ Eurogenes blog:

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 great-andamanese @ 25.363333
    2 onge @ 29.846519
    3 khasi @ 30.996717
    4 bengali @ 32.152157
    5 nepali @ 32.360126
    6 nepalese-c @ 33.432529
    7 up-muslim @ 33.926655
    8 romanian-b @ 34.000465
    9 bengali-brahmin @ 34.649441
    10 bene-israel-jew @ 34.728195
    11 singapore-indian-d @ 34.820019
    12 brahmin-uttaranchal @ 35.098087
    13 cochin-jew @ 35.497910
    14 bihari-muslim @ 35.669674
    15 pushtikar-brahmin @ 35.678307
    16 sri-lankan @ 36.110191
    17 gujarati-muslim @ 36.305901
    18 nepalese-a @ 36.807880
    19 kerala @ 37.236935
    20 punjabi-jatt-muslim @ 37.401302

    MDLP k23b
    1 Ayta_AE @ 24.783888
    2 Nepalese @ 27.270012
    3 Kensiu @ 29.925926
    4 Tamil_Singapore @ 29.993927
    5 Cochin_Jew @ 30.449663
    6 Onge @ 31.218340
    7 Pahari @ 31.865376
    8 Mumbai_Jew @ 33.207047
    9 Dhaka_mixed_popul @ 33.615238
    10 Hindi @ 34.281342
    11 Uygur-Han @ 34.523560
    12 Jatt_Haryana @ 34.819286
    13 Tiwari @ 35.455795
    14 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 35.725113
    15 Marathi @ 35.728867
    16 Jatt_Muslim @ 35.853012
    17 Mamanawa @ 36.317513
    18 Vaish @ 36.851608
    19 Brahmins_UP @ 36.884640
    20 Spiti @ 37.032146


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