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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    The mounds are still there all over. That is how many of my ancestors were buried after cremation.
    Feel free to visit though it is hardly a tourist area.
    Are there wagons and tarpan horses there too?

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    BTW is there anything that definitively proves that Dravidian language wasn't carried to southern India post-Aryan intrusion, by people who were semi mixed with Indo-Aryans themselves? This would explain the scant amount of Steppe_MLBA admixture that can be seen in the more W Eurasian shifted Dravidians, and more importantly the widespread R1a1a.

    According to certain linguists there has never been a time where, say even, Tamil has been completely bereft of Sanskritisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    BTW is there anything that definitively proves that Dravidian language wasn't carried to southern India post-Aryan intrusion, by people who were semi mixed with Indo-Aryans themselves? This would explain the scant amount of Steppe_MLBA admixture that can be seen in the more W Eurasian shifted Dravidians, and more importantly the widespread R1a1a.
    We fail to remember the fact how much Dravidian languages and Sanskrit had influence on each other. We can't assume only Brahmins brought Sanskrit words to the Southern languages. It can be a contribution of the groups you're speculating that moved post Indo aryan intrusion. Especially if you look at the pronounciation of the indo aryan words in Dravidian languages, it is different from modern Aryan languages and more old sounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    How do you explain this with Shaks? I always assumed this was due to the Mitanni Aryan presence in the ME.
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    Good question. We do not know of any R1a1 as yet in that region from the Mitanni time frame.

    A Shak people are often mentioned in the form Ishkuza around ~700 BC.
    See eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartatua
    The Scythians, aiding the Assyrians, subjugated Media between 653 and 652 BCE. As a reward for their help, the Assyrians left control of Media to the Scythians.[11] The Scythians maintained rule over Media until 625 BCE with the rise of Cyaxares as king of Media.[12]Bartatua died in ca. 645 BCE, succeeded by his son, Madys.[13]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Are there wagons and tarpan horses there too?
    Not sure about wagons or horses are they are beyond any ones recollection. Only one in Lauriya has been excavated. Though if I recall correctly one excavated in the Assam area had a horse.

    In our family normally only the man, and if important, his wife, and his co-wives/concubines (before Sati was banned) were cremated and buried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Not sure about wagons or horses are they are beyond any ones recollection. Only one in Lauriya has been excavated. Though if I recall correctly one excavated in the Assam area had a horse.

    In our family normally only the man, and if important, his wife, and his co-wives/concubines (before Sati was banned) were cremated and buried.
    Can you elaborate on the last sentence. I'm curious because, clearly, you're on board the Saka-train, so that should have applied to neighboring Brahmins as well, from Gangetic plains to the Himalayan ones, considering the proximity and cultural similarity. AFAIK Sati was huge with Nepali Brahmins as well until it was banned in the late 19th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Can you elaborate on the last sentence. I'm curious because, clearly, you're on board the Saka-train, so that should have applied to neighboring Brahmins as well, from Gangetic plains to the Himalayan ones, considering the proximity and cultural similarity. AFAIK Sati was huge with Nepali Brahmins as well until it was banned in the late 19th century.
    See eg. 14 burial mounds at Jadopur: https://books.google.com/books?id=vdMNBxOsvrUC&pg=PA52

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    See eg. 14 burial mounds at Jadopur: https://books.google.com/books?id=vdMNBxOsvrUC&pg=PA52
    It will be interesting to see how these upcoming papers and new data play out with the Saka hypothesis.

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    Two things that definitely won't work out...

    - R1a-L657 in South Asia is from the Saka

    - Indo-Aryan languages were brought to South Asia by any sort of farmers or even groups with a lot of Iranian Plateau farmer admix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Two things that definitely won't work out...

    - R1a-L657 in South Asia is from the Saka

    - Indo-Aryan languages were brought to South Asia by any sort of farmers or even groups with a lot of Iranian Plateau farmer admix
    So you think Indo Aryans didnt come with people with lots of BMAC(heavily Iran_N)?

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