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Thread: Waves of migration into South Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    He is presenting his theory. There is nothing wrong in it. If you believe you are true blood aryan then go to Aryan conference and present your paper. (you might not even make into the building)
    Surely one can point out that a statement contradicts the wealth of genetic and archaeological data we have without trying to be a “true blood aryan”.

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    Indians don't have BMAC ancestry it is a forum myth(wishful thinking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    Indians don't have BMAC ancestry it is a forum myth(wishful thinking)
    Most Indians don't have much. Maybe we can get Kale to run some to clear this up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    Indians don't have BMAC ancestry it is a forum myth(wishful thinking)
    BMAC pops couldn't cross the indus river, hence creating genetic wall between east and west of indus. Should've learned how to swim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Honestly, AgentLime is the closest to Swat IA samples on the forum and is probably closer to Huns, scythians, wshg or cheddar man or slenderman than kammas, so in comparison to you anna, he has more chances of getting into this imaginary Aryan conference.
    Man you really cracked me up with this.

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    NW Indians are mostly IVC because they are from core IVC lands where proto-Dravidian like groups came from.
    Maybe Eurasian plate people(like some far northern Pakistanis) have small amounts of it but probably not Indics.
    At any rate there is no proof of significant BMAC ancestry in Pre-Aryan Indian lands where Indian people come from. InPe(negligible ANF) samples consistently have high AASI like Indians but BMAC profile (ANF rich) samples do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    What's with the hostility Anna? Where do I claim to be a "true blood Aryan"?
    No hostility.
    Saying Aryans, but we don't see any true white people or blonde any more and the Aryan doesn't sound right. You could say movement of MLBA Steppe people if you want to prove that the point on some admixure seen in the genetic testing.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
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    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    No hostility.
    Saying Aryans, but we don't see any true white people or blonde any more and the Aryan doesn't sound right. You could say movement of MLBA Steppe people if you want to prove that the point on some admixure seen in the genetic testing.
    What has skin whiteness got to do with any of this? The Kalash are as light as East/Med Euros with 10-12% AASI Admixture. Aryan is an Avestian/ Persian/ Indo Aryan term. People of the Steppe before Hitler weren't exactly calling themselves Aryans. Most folks on this forum agree that Indians/ Pakistanis are a mix of Indus Valley/ Steppe/ BMAC/ Tribal(client disagrees with BMAC). There isn't anything such as "pure".

    The scientist in question is using pseudo science to promote national unity between Southern/Western/ Eastern/ Northern Indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    What has skin whiteness got to do with any of this? The Kalash are as light as East/Med Euros with 10-12% AASI Admixture. Aryan is an Avestian/ Persian/ Indo Aryan term. People of the Steppe before Hitler weren't exactly calling themselves Aryans. Most folks on this forum agree that Indians/ Pakistanis are a mix of Indus Valley/ Steppe/ BMAC/ Tribal(client disagrees with BMAC). There isn't anything such as "pure".

    The scientist in question is using pseudo science to promote national unity between Southern/Western/ Eastern/ Northern Indians.
    Not to nitpick but Kalash are more in the range of Iranians than Euros, but youre right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    What has skin whiteness got to do with any of this? The Kalash are as light as East/Med Euros with 10-12% AASI Admixture. Aryan is an Avestian/ Persian/ Indo Aryan term. People of the Steppe before Hitler weren't exactly calling themselves Aryans. Most folks on this forum agree that Indians/ Pakistanis are a mix of Indus Valley/ Steppe/ BMAC/ Tribal(client disagrees with BMAC). There isn't anything such as "pure".

    The scientist in question is using pseudo science to promote national unity between Southern/Western/ Eastern/ Northern Indians.
    I mean, they aren't really tho. Compared to their Indian plate neighbours maybe. They have some European looking individuals just as so many other groups in Western Asia and North Africa do(many without Steppe_MLBA admixture).

    Steppe_MLBA wasn't the only vector for light pigmented phenotypes, and perhaps it wasn't as light as we think(read Razib Khan's blog posts) Maybe the pre-Aryan substrate in the region where Kalash live was rather light itself and lightness alleles were therefore retained and fixed in the population.

    I think the deceptively European looking phenotypes among them are more the result of convergent evolution through selection and inbreeding than some direct preservation through their 25 odd percent Steppe_MLBA ancestry.

    Moderators can edit my post if it is in violation of ToS.

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