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    West Eurasia K8

    This thread is being created in advanced for an upcoming and more robust version of the previous, Eurogenes ANE K=7 test. Relevant post regarding this test can be found below as well as a spreadsheet showing the population averages for various groups.

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/201...t-to-east.html

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=16465173

    Edit: Can someone edit the title to "West Eurasia"?
    Last edited by DMXX; 12-15-2014 at 11:12 AM. Reason: As requested in edit

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    South_Eurasian looks like some sort of ASI-heavy component (observe it is present only in trace frequencies across Europe). The Azeri and Iranian samples appear to have the most of it here (exceeds 5% in some individuals). Quite an interesting run!

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    Cool stuff.

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    At the request of Krefter, I made a map for ANE.

    I have no data for Germany, Belgium, Netherlands ... Also this map is very approximate.
    What a shame there is no data for countries in eastern of Iran.
    Can there be any connection between ANE and Indo-Europeans?

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    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    At the request of Krefter, I made a map for ANE.

    I have no data for Germany, Belgium, Netherlands ... Also this map is very approximate.
    What a shame there is no data for countries in eastern of Iran.
    Can there be any connection between ANE and Indo-Europeans?

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    Virtually every portion of South Asia should be in the ~30% range. As a group only Amerindians have higher %ages.
    Any connection to Indo-Europeans therefore looks doubtful.
    Last edited by parasar; 12-16-2014 at 04:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    South_Eurasian looks like some sort of ASI-heavy component (observe it is present only in trace frequencies across Europe). The Azeri and Iranian samples appear to have the most of it here (exceeds 5% in some individuals). Quite an interesting run!
    Just wanted to share the definition of South Eurasian as defined by David Wesolowski's in his blog at the link posted by Zephyrous:

    "South Eurasian is a very widespread component that peaks in Malaysia at 60%, followed by Cambodia at 50%.

    It's hard to say what it represents, because this test is mainly designed to distill ANE and WHG, so as to give Europeans an idea how much post-Mesolithic ancestry from outside of Europe they might have"

    Personally, I do not see the value of using a component whose value is near zero for your target audience (Europeans).

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    One of my friends on 23andMe created some MDS Plots and Dendrograms based on the West Eurasia K=8 spreadsheet.











    I'll be creating MDS Plots and Dendrograms for everyone once this calculator is released.

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    Davidski did to, and it's basically identical to his PCA with genotype data, which means WHG, Near eastern, and ANE may be very robust forms of ancestry.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...81ajhEY3M/view

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    My results. I think they make a lot of sense and it looks like overall I have more hunter-gatherer genes than farmer. I count both the WHG and ANE components as hunter-gatherer components as neither of them were part of the early Neolithic farming populations that have origins in the Near East. I know that the ANE component came to Europe mainly after the Neolithic but it has it's origins among Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Siberian hunter-gatherers most likely so that is why I am calling it a hunter-gatherer component. So when I add my WHG and ANE scores together I actually have overall more Upper Paleolithic/Mesolithic genes from European and Siberian origin hunter-gatherers than Neolithic farmer genes which are represented by the Near_Eastern component. Interesting stuff!

    ANE 0.143191
    South_Eurasian 0.020643
    Near_Eastern 0.419885
    East_Eurasian 0.009484
    WHG 0.398153
    Oceanian 0.00822
    Pygmy 0.000415
    Sub-Saharan 1E-005

    Lower-bound NE

    ANE 0.141497
    South_Eurasian 0.022145
    Near_Eastern 0.386466
    East_Eurasian 0.010388
    WHG 0.429544
    Oceanian 0.008904
    Pygmy 0.001046
    Sub-Saharan 1E-005
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