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    R1b U152 Updates/News

    Made this thread so that we can share any updates going on with U152.

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    Does anybody know if U152* types would benefit from the new Geno 2.0 chip test for finding a new SNP??

    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    Does anybody know if U152* types would benefit from the new Geno 2.0 chip test for finding a new SNP??

    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/

    Thanks

    Good question, Solothurn. I can't answer for certain about how valuable it would be to U152, but I will say there's one thing that's gotten me particularly interested. Richard Rocca, the co-admin of the FTDNA U152 Project, seems to have been cited in (or about) an email from Dr. Spencer Wells to "Your Genetic Genealogist."

    http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.co...-wells-on.html

    ...the Y-markers on the Geno 2.0 chip come from a variety of sources. The majority are entirely new, and are drawn from the work of our team and collaborators:

    ~3500 from Chris Tyler-Smith, drawn primarily from 1K Genomes data
    ~3500 from Li Jin, discovered by deep sequencing in East Asian populations from a variety of haplogroups
    ~5000 from Paolo Francalacci and Sergio Tofanelli, discovered by deep sequencing in Sardinian populations from a variety of haplogroups

    The rest are drawn from the ISOGG tree, FTDNA, Hammer and other available sources*. The final number of working assays for the rare markers (and thus those most likely to be of interest to the genealogical community) is yet to be determined, as we simply don't have access to all of the the positive controls necessary. This is where the genetic genealogy community can really help, by vetting the rare markers in samples with known phylogenetic positions... I see this as an opportunity for the community to take an active role in helping us to build the definitive Y-chromosome tree. It will also likely yield many markers with extraordinary specificity for family-defining lineages that will be important for genetic genealogy.

    *Among these sources are citizen scientists and FTDNA customers: Gregory Magoon, Richard Rocca, David F Reynolds, Bonnie Schrack and Peter M Op den Velde Boots who assisted in these discoveries by mining public sources (like 1000 Genomes). The many admins and individuals who have worked toward WTY SNPs and, of course, Dr. Hammer also deserve mention.

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    Many thanks Scarlet.

    U152 now has a couple of 'new' subclades, Z36 and Z56 being the major two!

    I am in the A1a group: U152* YCAII=19,22 + dys447=27 (L2- Z36- Z56- (dys492=12)

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    SNPs Z42/Z43 and Z192 were on the cusp, but think FTDNA are struggling to get past the primer stage (I assume anyway). Or are too busy with other projects to concentrate on these!!

    Anyway to address my earlier question: I am an 'early' FGS 2009 and my Genbank sample is used on the phylotree!

    http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_R0.htm for H1c3b (Helga )
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/GU289555

    Owing to this I hope my sample was 'vetted' and I get the free chip 2 test. I have heard 23 WTY samples were vetted too and hope if I wasn't vetted, Steve Weir's (U152* WTY) was and gets a free test.

    Obviously if anybody's kit is used instead of mine I wish them a successful outcome!

    I will email the admins of the U152 project and ask for their input
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    So how do we know if our kit has been chosen for the free test (vetted)? There is no reference to a FTDNA kit on the order page!

    so I emailed FTDNA with Spencer Wells' statement:

    Reply:

    "Thank you for your email. After speaking with our president, Bennett
    Greenspan, I have determined that a handful of customers who took FGS/FMS
    (about 300 total) along with a smaller number of WTY participants will be
    receiving Geno 2.0. These participants will be receiving a letter in the
    coming weeks, but I do not have any information as to who will be included
    among these participants."

    Also Richard Rocca (U152 admin) has said:

    "I think it is very important for U152, and especially U152* folks to test with the Geno 2.0 product as 5,000 new SNPs from Sardinian population are included in the chip. I2a1 is by far the most frequent halpogroup, but R1b (and U152) is second."

    Best

    S.
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    I have heard from FTDNA and unfortunately I am not on the free test list!

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    I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to hear it. Especially since I don't know if they're going to have any other U152 reference samples from England. Makes me a bit less enthusiastic about it, to be honest..

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    An English U152* (me ) just ordered the new 2.0 test!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Ibis View Post
    I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to hear it. Especially since I don't know if they're going to have any other U152 reference samples from England. Makes me a bit less enthusiastic about it, to be honest..

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    Can you post your results when you get them?

    I'm still considering it, but I've got some big expenses coming up, so it will realistically be at least a few months until I get the money.

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    Certainly.

    I just have the problem of getting the kit (when it is released) back to Houston. My FTDNA kit took three weeks last time. I may have to use a specialist courier or risk loss or delay. This happened with a 23andMe kit. It turned up three months later, but I had ordered a replacement by then!

    It is frustrating that FTDNA have my DNA at their labs and yet they won't allow this to be used. I have heard that the new 2.0 test will replace the 'old' deep clade test!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Ibis View Post
    Can you post your results when you get them?

    I'm still considering it, but I've got some big expenses coming up, so it will realistically be at least a few months until I get the money.
    Last edited by Solothurn; 09-07-2012 at 12:19 PM.

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