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Thread: Britain's DNA Red Head Test Results: Post Them Here Please

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    No problem.

    Both Val60Leu and Val92Met, 5x: father R1a1a1b1a2b3 (R-CTS3402) and his son and daughter, father R1a1a1b1a1a (R-L260) and his son.
    Both Arg160Trp and Arg163Gln 1x: R1a1a1b1a2b3 (R-CTS3402) - different person than above
    Arg160Trp 1x female

    I'm not a red hair carrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petr View Post
    No problem.

    Both Val60Leu and Val92Met, 5x: father R1a1a1b1a2b3 (R-CTS3402) and his son and daughter, father R1a1a1b1a1a (R-L260) and his son.
    Both Arg160Trp and Arg163Gln 1x: R1a1a1b1a2b3 (R-CTS3402) - different person than above
    Arg160Trp 1x female

    I'm not a red hair carrier.
    Those five people carry both Val60Leu and Val92Met?

    The next one carries both Arg160Trp and Arg163Gln?

    I'm a little confused.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    I have TC in rs1805008, but I have full blown red hair. I'm predicted by Hirisplex to have brown hair.
    Very interesting. Thanks for that. My youngest daughter has red hair, although it's starting to go more auburn. It was a brilliant orange when she was little. I don't know what, if any, red hair variants she carries, since I have not had her tested.

    I don't have red hair myself, although I am an Arg160Trp carrier, but I did have a lot of red in my moustache and beard when I was younger, before they started going gray. Here's a terrible photo of me at age 18 taken from an old college ID (you can even see the old punch card hole in it). It shows my reddish moustache.

    Richard Stevens II Sept 1973.jpg
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Those five people carry both Val60Leu and Val92Met?

    The next one carries both Arg160Trp and Arg163Gln?
    Yes, this is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Very interesting. Thanks for that. My youngest daughter has red hair, although it's starting to go more auburn. It was a brilliant orange when she was little. I don't know what, if any, red hair variants she carries, since I have not had her tested.

    I don't have red hair myself, although I am an Arg160Trp carrier, but I did have a lot of red in my moustache and beard when I was younger, before they started going gray. Here's a terrible photo of me at age 18 taken from an old college ID (you can even see the old punch card hole in it). It shows my reddish moustache.

    Richard Stevens II Sept 1973.jpg
    I'm sure most people who grow red facial hair but not head hair, are a carrier of some type of red hair-mutation.

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    I believe I have shared this video clip elsewhere before, but it is interesting, so here it is again. Arg160Trp is referred to as "Tryptophan Red" by Alastair Moffat. I know some people here really don't like him, but he doesn't go to any real extremes in this clip.

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....-gene.cnn.html
    Last edited by rms2; 12-30-2014 at 01:15 PM. Reason: Typo.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I believe I have shared this video clip elsewhere before, but it is interesting, so here it is again. Arg160Trp is referred to as "Tryptophan Red" by Alastair Moffat. I know some people here really don't like him, but he doesn't go to any real extremes in this clip.

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....-gene.cnn.html
    I'm a little confused by his reasoning. OK, red hair is several times less common in Scandinavia, yes, and that could mean northern latitudes isn't the main factor... but then he goes on to say it has to do with the cloudy climate? I don't know if he's been to Scandinavia lately, but overcast grey is far more common than clear is - at least for most of the year. I didn't really find Britain any cloudier than home when I lived there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salkin View Post
    I'm a little confused by his reasoning. OK, red hair is several times less common in Scandinavia, yes, and that could mean northern latitudes isn't the main factor... but then he goes on to say it has to do with the cloudy climate? I don't know if he's been to Scandinavia lately, but overcast grey is far more common than clear is - at least for most of the year. I didn't really find Britain any cloudier than home when I lived there.
    I agree. I don't think red hair really has anything to do with climate or cloudy skies. It seems to me people often look for very simplistic answers to baffling questions.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    what about rs12203592?
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    I have CT and did have a reddish tint to my beard, once.

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    Red hair is so rare that there's no way to trace it's origins through ancient DNA(unless we get 100s of genomes), and it could rise or decrease in a population very quickly. People around the North sea have the highest amount but percentages vary within that region, and 5,000 years they share most of the same ancestors with most east Europeans, like Poles, who have under 1% red hair.

    Plus red hair might be a polymorphic trait, and doesn't have a single source gene wise. People shouldn't be throwing out simplistic theories and romanticized stories, which they ofntly do, and just say it's a mystery.

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