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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamo View Post
    I was informed tonight after my results were looked at that I fall into a category called "Ultra Norse" clade L813+ That is a very big surprise to me and I did not expect that. I had never heard of that designation before.
    This is very interesting. An attempt to find the genetic legacy of the Vikings in Ireland previously failed to make much of a case. The paper in question is so old, it is hard to make out which Y-DNA haplogroups they found exactly:

    Brian McEvoy, Claire Brady, Laoise T Moore and Daniel G Bradley, The scale and nature of Viking settlement in Ireland from Y-chromosome admixture analysis, European Journal of Human Genetics (2006) 14, 1288–1294: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v.../5201709a.html

    However recent archaeological work in Dublin is revealing the extent of the Viking settlement there, and isotope studies of some early Viking burials there revealed Scandinavian immigrants. See Montgomery, J. et al. 2014. Finding Vikings with isotope analysis: the view from wet and windy islands, Journal of the North Atlantic, 7 (sp7), 54-70. http://www.eaglehill.us/JONAonline/a...ntgomery.shtml

    Viking Ireland at the National Museum of Ireland: http://www.museum.ie/en/exhibition/viking-ireland.aspx

    The Viking arrival was no mirage and it will have left genetic traces. This is the project to watch, because it is doing ancient DNA analysis: Population Genomics of Vikings: http://geogenetics.ku.dk/research_gr...ev/viking-dna/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamo View Post
    I was informed tonight after my results were looked at that I fall into a category called "Ultra Norse" clade L813+ That is a very big surprise to me and I did not expect that. I had never heard of that designation before.
    Considering the fact that L813 is a subclade of I1's Northern branch (CTS6364) and that it reaches its highest frequencies in Southern Scandinavia (while its distribution in the British Isles fits with the pattern we'd expect for Viking settlement), I'd say that Norse ancestry is extremely likely.
    You mentionned matches from the Isle of Man, I find that interesting since I can trace my ancestry back to King Orry of the Isle of Man. In other words, I'm ready to bet you have a few Norse-Gaels in your family tree.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Thanks for sharing your results, Kamo. I was quite intrigued because two of my family lines are probably I1. The Arthurs came to America from Cullybacky, County Antrim having moved to Ireland from Perth, Scotland in the 1600s. My McConnell ancestors emigrated from Londonderry. I have a cousin whose surname is Gordon, whose ancestor emigrated to America from Londonderry who is also an I1.

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    Most of my matches are in Norway. Other areas include Waterford Ireland and Norherrn Ireland, Shetland, Large number in Scotland and England as well, Brittany, Sweden.

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    That is essentially what Ken Nordtvedt said after looking over my results Aberdeen. All the way through from 12-67 markers at all distances Norway is the highest number of matches.

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    How distant are they, and what areas have the closest matches? Waterford was a Viking settlement, I always wondered if the Gallowglasses left a detectable trace. I wonder if the Northern Ireland matched might reflect this.

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    On the match map in Ireland there are matches in Londonderry, Sligo, Larne, Limavady and most matches dotted around Waterford and Dublin. Lots of men with names ending in "Mac" just as in Scotland. The matches from 12-67 at all distances remain in those same areas.
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    I did not initially see your post Jean M. Thank you for the links.

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    While reading the links you provided Jean, I did a search on the towns in Ireland I was listed as having matches. Sligo was one of the towns -

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/...-27568729.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamo View Post
    While reading the links you provided Jean, I did a search on the towns in Ireland I was listed as having matches. Sligo was one of the towns
    Wow! Sligo had a Viking cemetery with more than 200 Viking remains! We don't generally think of Vikings in western Ireland.

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