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  1. #21
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    My Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Indian 41.97
    2 West-Asian 31.31
    3 Indo-Iranian 7.89
    4 North-East-European 5.75
    5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.89
    6 Samoedic 2.27
    7 Indo-Tibetan 2.16
    8 East-South-Asian 1.75
    9 North-Amerind 1.05


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.7% Hindu (derived) + 38.3% Pashtun (derived) @ 2.88
    2 54.3% Burusho (derived) + 45.7% Hindu (derived) @ 2.95
    3 51.2% Hindu (derived) + 48.8% Pathan (derived) @ 3.07
    4 82.7% Burusho (derived) + 17.3% Indian (ancestral) @ 3.58
    5 79.5% Pathan (derived) + 20.5% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.26
    6 71.4% Pashtun (derived) + 28.6% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.53
    7 67.7% Hindu (derived) + 32.3% Tadjik (derived) @ 4.55
    8 75.8% Hindu (derived) + 24.2% Lak (derived) @ 4.59
    9 76.3% Hindu (derived) + 23.7% Avar (derived) @ 4.72
    10 75.7% Hindu (derived) + 24.3% Tabassaran (derived) @ 4.72
    11 75.8% Hindu (derived) + 24.2% Lezgin (derived) @ 4.84
    12 59.1% Hindu (derived) + 40.9% Balochi (derived) @ 5.04
    13 66.3% Burusho (derived) + 33.7% Indian (derived) @ 5.12
    14 64.4% Hindu (derived) + 35.6% Brahui (derived) @ 5.36
    15 76.3% Hindu (derived) + 23.7% Chechen (derived) @ 5.55
    16 64.6% Hindu (derived) + 35.4% Makrani (derived) @ 5.67
    17 55.3% Sindhi (derived) + 44.7% Hindu (derived) @ 5.68
    18 76.7% Hindu (derived) + 23.3% Ossetian (derived) @ 5.78
    19 53% Balochi (derived) + 47% Indian (derived) @ 5.92
    20 76.5% Hindu (derived) + 23.5% NorthOssetian (derived) @ 5.92

    Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
    22 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Jew_India @ 11.658581
    2 Sindhi @ 13.763876
    3 Burusho @ 14.454085
    4 Hindu @ 17.072479
    5 Pathan @ 17.878759
    6 Balochi @ 23.959875
    7 Indian @ 26.806446
    8 Pashtun @ 27.215815
    9 Makrani @ 29.181322
    10 Brahui @ 29.557123
    11 Parsi @ 31.917513
    12 Tadjik @ 34.580765
    13 Roma @ 34.996620
    14 Turkmen @ 39.768044
    15 Uzbek @ 42.332874
    16 Hazara @ 43.420418
    17 Iranian @ 46.138676
    18 Nogai @ 48.201664
    19 Azeri @ 48.352947
    20 Kumyk @ 49.169998

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hindu +50% Pathan @ 3.223598


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hindu +25% Pathan +25% Pathan @ 3.223598


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Burusho + Hindu + Hindu + Pathan @ 2.710245
    2 Burusho + Hindu + Hindu + Pashtun @ 3.110136
    3 Hindu + Hindu + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.223598
    4 Hindu + Indian + Pashtun + Pathan @ 3.352869
    5 Burusho + Burusho + Hindu + Hindu @ 3.398112
    6 Balochi + Burusho + Hindu + Hindu @ 3.636488
    7 Hindu + Hindu + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.658940
    8 Burusho + Hindu + Indian + Pashtun @ 3.677401
    9 Indian + Burusho + Pashtun + Pashtun @ 3.712281
    10 Hindu + Indian + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.763432
    11 Hindu + Indian + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.777495
    12 Hindu + Hindu + Pathan + Sindhi @ 4.004019
    13 Hindu + Hindu + Pashtun + Pathan @ 4.020362
    14 Burusho + Hindu + Hindu + Sindhi @ 4.077989
    15 Indian + Burusho + Pashtun + Pathan @ 4.105234
    16 Balochi + Hindu + Indian + Pathan @ 4.111320
    17 Balochi + Hindu + Indian + Pashtun @ 4.189529
    18 Hindu + Hindu + Sindhi + Tadjik @ 4.199543
    19 Indian + Balochi + Burusho + Tadjik @ 4.239519
    20 Brahui + Burusho + Hindu + Indian @ 4.295075
    Last edited by Varun R; 01-22-2015 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I believe that the database that this calculator, and many others are based on, are Northern Kurd and Northern or NW Iranian heavy. I tend to cluster with Southern or Eastern Kurds, and Jesus with SC Iranians (the Lenghi Iranian from SC Iran data that I posted earlier in the thread shows an Indian component of ~10).

    I believe that the Indian and Indo Iranian score would rise quite a bit if the sampling were based on S or E Kurds (Gorani, Sorani, Feyli, Luri, etc.), and S Iranians.
    This one is from Sorani Silźmanī
    Code:
    Pygmy	0.18%
    West-Asian	44.24%
    North-European-Mesolithic	0.27%
    Indo-Tibetan	0.11%
    Mesoamerican	-    
    Arctic-Amerind	-    
    South-America_Amerind	-    
    Indian	6.73%
    North-Siberean	-    
    Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic	18.44%
    Samoedic	1.62%
    Indo-Iranian	3.14%
    East-Siberean	-    
    North-East-European	6.26%
    South-African	-    
    North-Amerind	-    
    Sub-Saharian	0.07%
    East-South-Asian	-    
    Near_East	18.91%
    Melanesian	-    
    Paleo-Siberian	-    
    Austronesian	-
    This is a Feyli from Īlam.
    Code:
    Pygmy	-    
    West-Asian	46.83%
    North-European-Mesolithic	0.07%
    Indo-Tibetan	-    
    Mesoamerican	0.23%
    Arctic-Amerind	-    
    South-America_Amerind	0.31%
    Indian	5.42%
    North-Siberean	0.23%
    Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic	17.06%
    Samoedic	-    
    Indo-Iranian	5.01%
    East-Siberean	-    
    North-East-European	4.20%
    South-African	-    
    North-Amerind	-    
    Sub-Saharian	0.58%
    East-South-Asian	-    
    Near_East	19.54%
    Melanesian	0.51%
    Paleo-Siberian	-    
    Austronesian	-
    Both are quite similar; in total 9,87, 10,43 respectively and inline with geographical N-W to S-E cline.

    Aren't you from Pakistan?
    Last edited by MfA; 07-18-2016 at 05:48 PM.
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West-Asian 31.47
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 23.39
    3 Near_East 13.96
    4 North-East-European 12.43
    5 East-Siberean 3.69
    6 Samoedic 3.07
    7 Indian 2.63
    8 North-European-Mesolithic 1.98
    9 Paleo-Siberian 1.42
    10 East-South-Asian 1.28
    11 North-Siberean 1.16
    12 Indo-Iranian 1.13


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Azov (derived) 8.44
    2 Tatar_Crim (derived) 9.5
    3 Turk (derived) 10.21
    4 Greek_Cretan (derived) 14.22
    5 Cirkassian (derived) 14.98
    6 Nogai (derived) 15.2
    7 Jew_Romania (derived) 16.41
    8 Azeri (derived) 16.79
    9 Greek_East (derived) 16.9
    10 Kumyk (derived) 17.04
    11 Turkmen (derived) 17.17
    12 Costanoan (derived) 17.37
    13 Balkarian (derived) 17.9
    14 Greek_Center (derived) 17.95
    15 Jew_Syria (derived) 18.09
    16 Greek_North (derived) 18.26
    17 Cypriot (derived) 18.35
    18 Lebanese (derived) 18.43
    19 Greek_South (derived) 18.66
    20 Kabardinian (derived) 18.76

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.9% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 45.1% Turkmen (derived) @ 3.51
    2 68.8% Tatar_Crim (derived) + 31.2% Iraqi (derived) @ 4.39
    3 59.4% Nogai (derived) + 40.6% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 4.51
    4 50.4% Greek_East (derived) + 49.6% Turkmen (derived) @ 4.57
    5 59.6% Nogai (derived) + 40.4% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 4.59
    6 52.3% Tatar_Crim (derived) + 47.7% Turk (derived) @ 4.62
    7 54.7% Nogai (derived) + 45.3% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 4.63
    8 53.1% Turkmen (derived) + 46.9% Sicilian (derived) @ 4.64
    9 53.2% Turkmen (derived) + 46.8% Italian-South (derived) @ 4.69
    10 55.1% Nogai (derived) + 44.9% Cypriot (derived) @ 4.69
    11 80.2% Turk (derived) + 19.8% Colville (derived) @ 4.69
    12 59.2% Nogai (derived) + 40.8% Sephardim (derived) @ 4.7
    13 70.3% Greek_Azov (derived) + 29.7% Turkmen (derived) @ 4.73
    14 61.6% Nogai (derived) + 38.4% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 4.74
    15 63.5% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 36.5% Tadjik (derived) @ 4.75
    16 58.7% Nogai (derived) + 41.3% Jew_Morocco (derived) @ 4.81
    17 80.2% Turk (derived) + 19.8% Tatar (derived) @ 4.81
    18 83% Turk (derived) + 17% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 4.82
    19 53.8% Jew_Francestrale (derived) + 46.2% Tadjik (derived) @ 4.84
    20 53.4% Turkmen (derived) + 46.6% Italian-Center (derived) @ 4.86

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Cretan +50% Turkmen @ 4.122051


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Jew_Francestrale +25% Lak +25% Uzbek @ 3.093781


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 NorthOssetian + Portugese + Syrian + Turkmen @ 2.650149
    2 Greek_Cretan + Jew_Algeria + Nogai + Tadjik @ 2.757835
    3 Iraqi + Kumyk + Portugese + Turkmen @ 2.774121
    4 Iranian + Spaniard + Turk + Turkmen @ 2.794724
    5 Corsican + Kumyk + Syrian + Turkmen @ 2.799745
    6 Jew_Georgia + Kumyk + Portugese + Turkmen @ 2.831347
    7 Cypriot + Jew_Francestrale + Nogai + Tadjik @ 2.833505
    8 Lebanese + NorthOssetian + Portugese + Turkmen @ 2.835080
    9 Balkarian + Iraqi + Portugese + Turkmen @ 2.835896
    10 Azeri + Portugese + Turk + Turkmen @ 2.842890
    11 Iraqi + NorthOssetian + Portugese + Turkmen @ 2.849566
    12 Azeri + Iraqi + Spaniard + Turkmen @ 2.861005
    13 Cirkassian + Corsican + Iraqi + Turkmen @ 2.866224
    14 Balkarian + Corsican + Syrian + Turkmen @ 2.881735
    15 Greek_Cretan + Jew_Libya + Nogai + Tadjik @ 2.892251
    16 Ashkenazim_V + Jew_Algeria + NorthOssetian + Turkmen @ 2.898843
    17 Ossetian + Portugese + Syrian + Turkmen @ 2.906010
    18 Iberian + NorthOssetian + Syrian + Turkmen @ 2.912790
    19 Kurd + Portugese + Turk + Turkmen @ 2.914846
    20 Iberian + Iraqi + Kumyk + Turkmen @ 2.920659
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    Both are quite similar; in total 8,52, 9,87, 10,43 respectively and inline with geographical N-W to S-E cline.
    If we were to take your data on single individuals as representative of the averages of their respective groups, then that would show that I was correct, because the MDLP spreadsheet shows that the total Indian and Indo Iranian for Kurds is 3.5+3.2=6.7. I stated that this 6.7 maybe because the sampling for the database is N Kurd heavy. So according to your data and the individuals you posted the average would be >6.7, which corroborates my point.

    I would be very interested in data for say 10 or 15 Feyli, Gorani, or Sorani Kurds, so that I can get a better idea of an average and standard deviation for these groups.

    Although I grew up in Pakistan, my ancestry is from Iraqi Kurdistan to the best of my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    If we were to take your data on single individuals as representative of the averages of their respective groups, then that would show that I was correct, because the MDLP spreadsheet shows that the total Indian and Indo Iranian for Kurds is 3.5+3.2=6.7. I stated that this 6.7 maybe because the sampling for the database is N Kurd heavy. So according to your data and the individuals you posted the average would be >6.7, which corroborates my point.

    I would be very interested in data for say 10 or 15 Feyli, Gorani, or Sorani Kurds, so that I can get a better idea of an average and standard deviation for these groups.

    Although I grew up in Pakistan, my ancestry is from Iraqi Kurdistan to the best of my knowledge.
    Results are different because of the calculator effect, not because of sampling bias. You will never get GEDmatch results similar to that spreadsheet results because of calculator effect. You should compare results GEDmatch to GEDmatch or spreadsheet to spreadsheet, because they are essentialy different calculators.
    You can always check Feyli, Kurmanji, Sorani, Zaza averages based on Dodecad K12b results with more than 20 samples in total on my blog or you can ask similar thing from Palisto. No major difference there, it is basic NW to SE cline. You are just happen to be much more S-E shifted than rest of the Kurds.
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 48.97
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.14
    3 West-Asian 6.85
    4 North-European-Mesolithic 5.14
    5 Near_East 3.09
    6 Indo-Iranian 1.65


    Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
    22 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 German_V @ 2.277474
    2 CEU_V @ 2.765156
    3 Austrian @ 3.378888
    4 Hungarian @ 5.534735
    5 Welsh @ 5.733865
    6 CEU @ 6.432488
    7 German-North @ 6.800578
    8 Slovenian @ 7.097635
    9 German @ 7.204522
    10 Norwegian_V @ 7.411889
    11 Swedish @ 7.430314
    12 British @ 7.486048
    13 Croatian @ 7.736996
    14 Orcadian @ 8.598145
    15 Bosnian @ 8.644964
    16 German-South @ 8.813399
    17 Serbian @ 9.248976
    18 Swedish_V @ 10.406572
    19 Czech @ 10.831396
    20 Croatian_V @ 11.479532

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% CEU +50% Hungarian @ 1.674295


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% CEU_V +25% Montenegrin +25% Swedish_V @ 0.742940


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 CEU_V + German-North + Macedonian + Norwegian_V @ 0.581708
    2 CEU_V + German-North + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V @ 0.654120
    3 CEU_V + German_V + Montenegrin + Swedish_V @ 0.668954
    4 German-North + German-South + Serbian + Swedish_V @ 0.727866
    5 CEU_V + CEU_V + Montenegrin + Swedish_V @ 0.742940
    6 CEU + German-North + Macedonian + Swedish @ 0.750702
    7 British + Bulgarian + German-North + Swedish_V @ 0.781598
    8 German_V + Macedonian + Swedish_V + Welsh @ 0.782100
    9 CEU + Italian_North + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-East @ 0.788677
    10 Hungarian + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V + Swedish @ 0.806168
    11 CEU + Montenegrin + Slovenian + Swedish_V @ 0.812086
    12 Montenegrin + Norwegian_V + Slovenian + Swedish @ 0.838234
    13 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Polish_V + Swedish @ 0.839776
    14 German-North + German_V + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V @ 0.862928
    15 Austrian + Macedonian + Norwegian_V + Swedish @ 0.863156
    16 Bulgarian + CEU + German-North + Swedish_V @ 0.863452
    17 British + Montenegrin + Slovenian + Swedish_V @ 0.863547
    18 British + Macedonian + Slovenian + Swedish_V @ 0.888296
    19 CEU_V + CEU_V + Macedonian + Swedish_V @ 0.897824
    20 CEU_V + CEU_V + Macedonian + Swedish @ 0.901119
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West-Asian 44.28
    2 Indian 14.97
    3 Near_East 12.56
    4 Indo-Iranian 7.60
    5 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 7.18
    6 North-East-European 5.01
    7 Samoedic 2.82
    8 Sub-Saharian 2.68


    Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
    22 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Parsi @ 9.383298
    2 Makrani @ 12.695770
    3 Pashtun @ 14.584200
    4 Iranian @ 14.705791
    5 Brahui @ 14.792733
    6 Balochi @ 15.442040
    7 Azeri @ 17.158583
    8 Tadjik @ 18.198015
    9 Kurd @ 18.207405
    10 Pathan @ 19.211971
    11 Turkmen @ 19.915531
    12 Kumyk @ 21.538221
    13 Turk @ 22.543549
    14 Burusho @ 22.721668
    15 Jew-Uzbekistan @ 22.947771
    16 NorthOssetian @ 24.026737
    17 Kabardinian @ 24.272961
    18 Iraqi @ 24.342695
    19 Chechen @ 24.405525
    20 Georgian @ 24.434481

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranian +50% Pathan @ 4.395690


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Brahui +25% Jordanian +25% Tadjik @ 3.421570


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Balochi + Jew_Georgia + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.255089
    2 Brahui + Makrani + Syrian + Tadjik @ 3.318343
    3 Balochi + Jew-Iraqi + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.345182
    4 Brahui + Lebanese + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.393098
    5 Brahui + Brahui + Jordanian + Tadjik @ 3.421570
    6 Brahui + Druze + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.428379
    7 Balochi + Druze + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.453593
    8 Brahui + Iraqi + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.467882
    9 Balochi + Jew_Iraqi + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.474336
    10 Brahui + Brahui + Syrian + Tadjik @ 3.517319
    11 Balochi + Brahui + Syrian + Tadjik @ 3.529863
    12 Iraqi + Makrani + Parsi + Tadjik @ 3.614422
    13 Balochi + Jew-Iran + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.626910
    14 Brahui + Lebanese + Makrani + Pashtun @ 3.636341
    15 Brahui + Jew_Georgia + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.641680
    16 Balochi + Iraqi + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.646792
    17 Balochi + Makrani + Syrian + Tadjik @ 3.653610
    18 Balochi + Lebanese + Makrani + Tadjik @ 3.682366
    19 Brahui + Brahui + Palestinian + Tadjik @ 3.691860
    20 Balochi + Iraqi + Parsi + Tadjik @ 3.722006

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West-Asian 39.37
    2 Indian 27.91
    3 North-East-European 9.76
    4 Indo-Iranian 6.58
    5 Near_East 3.25
    6 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 3.23
    7 Samoedic 2.87
    8 North-Amerind 1.78
    9 North-European-Mesolithic 1.36
    10 Paleo-Siberian 1.05


    Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
    22 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Pathan @ 4.031528
    2 Burusho @ 8.381693
    3 Pashtun @ 11.368581
    4 Balochi @ 11.744432
    5 Sindhi @ 12.575292
    6 Makrani @ 16.409506
    7 Brahui @ 16.422674
    8 Parsi @ 18.076477
    9 Tadjik @ 18.904154
    10 Jew_India @ 21.993494
    11 Turkmen @ 26.159760
    12 Roma @ 29.997213
    13 Iranian @ 31.568741
    14 Azeri @ 32.382679
    15 Kumyk @ 32.450695
    16 Uzbek @ 32.929134
    17 Hindu @ 33.767788
    18 Tabassaran @ 33.817814
    19 Nogai @ 33.888256
    20 Lezgin @ 33.923512

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Pathan +50% Pathan @ 4.031528


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Pathan +25% Pathan +25% Pathan @ 4.031528


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Jew_India + Pathan + Pathan + Tadjik @ 2.436819
    2 Brahui + Hindu + Pashtun + Tadjik @ 2.912727
    3 Hindu + Lezgin + Pathan + Pathan @ 2.948265
    4 Balochi + Hindu + Pashtun + Tadjik @ 2.955335
    5 Balochi + Jew_India + Pathan + Tadjik @ 2.971069
    6 Hindu + Parsi + Pashtun + Tadjik @ 2.990892
    7 Balochi + Burusho + Hindu + Tabassaran @ 3.130312
    8 Balochi + Indian + Pathan + Tabassaran @ 3.145223
    9 Burusho + Hindu + Lezgin + Pathan @ 3.149546
    10 Hindu + Parsi + Pathan + Tadjik @ 3.158800
    11 Chechen + Hindu + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.170484
    12 Hindu + Lak + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.173129
    13 Brahui + Indian + Pathan + Tabassaran @ 3.189869
    14 Hindu + Pathan + Pathan + Tabassaran @ 3.198145
    15 Avar + Balochi + Indian + Pathan @ 3.208432
    16 Hindu + Kumyk + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.237321
    17 Balochi + Indian + Lak + Pathan @ 3.257790
    18 Jew_India + Pashtun + Pathan + Tadjik @ 3.277066
    19 Adygei + Hindu + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.329117
    20 Brahui + Hindu + Pathan + Tadjik @ 3.358392

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    Results are different because of the calculator effect, not because of sampling bias. You will never get GEDmatch results similar to that spreadsheet results because of calculator effect. You should compare results GEDmatch to GEDmatch or spreadsheet to spreadsheet, because they are essentialy different calculators.
    You can always check Feyli, Kurmanji, Sorani, Zaza averages based on Dodecad K12b results with more than 20 samples in total on my blog or you can ask similar thing from Palisto. No major difference there, it is basic NW to SE cline. You are just happen to be much more S-E shifted than rest of the Kurds.
    I checked out your blog. Good job! Since there are millions of kurds, and they span a huge geographic area, we need many more samples covering all areas of Kurdistan. Of course, ideally the regional sampling, say, feyli, or kermanshahi, should cover multiple towns in the region. Then, our averages and standard deviations would be more accurate. At that point, a statement can be made on how much SE shifted I am among Kurds.

    Yes, I am aware of the calculator effect, however, 10.43 vs 6.7 is about a 35% calculator effect, which is much more than I would expect. Besides, calculator effects are supposed to be random. Since I was not sure whether the spreadsheet was N. Kurd heavy, I had qualified my statement with maybe. If you have any info indicating which parts of Kurdistan the samples came from, I would appreciate it if you shared it. Although not solid evidence of such, another clue for me was that my distance was as follows:

    Population (source) Distance
    1 Azeri (derived) 7.68
    2 Iranian (derived) 8.69
    3 Kurd (derived) 8.79

    I tend to believe that the calculators show Kurd in my first position are the ones that use data from more diverse sampling of S and E Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I believe that the database that this calculator, and many others are based on, are Northern Kurd and Northern or NW Iranian heavy. I tend to cluster with Southern or Eastern Kurds, and Jesus with SC Iranians (the Lenghi Iranian from SC Iran data that I posted earlier in the thread shows an Indian component of ~10).

    I believe that the Indian and Indo Iranian score would rise quite a bit if the sampling were based on S or E Kurds (Gorani, Sorani, Feyli, Luri, etc.), and S Iranians.
    It would be interesting to see DMXX results then.jesus Also has Azeri ancestry too. Btw where are that near eastern members like Lebanese or Syrians? Interested to see their resujts too

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