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    Age of PF6658/Z193?

    As more PF6658/Z193+ results are coming in, has anybody got any idea of the age of occurrence yet?
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Tierra de Ayllon
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    U152>L2>Z49>Z142>
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    H1bt
    Y-DNA (M)
    I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925
    mtDNA (P)
    H37

    England Scotland Wales Germany Ireland Sweden Finns
    As it's at the same level below U152 as L2, I come up 4500 ybp +/- 750 years (3750 to 5250 ybp) using SNP count dating.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-24-2015 at 04:56 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Thanks, Probably L2's brother

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    As it's at the same level below U152 as L2 I come up 4500 ybp +/- 750 years (3750 to 5250 ybp) using SNP count dating.
    Last edited by Solothurn; 01-24-2015 at 04:42 PM.
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925
    mtDNA (P)
    H37

    England Scotland Wales Germany Ireland Sweden Finns
    FYI: Yfull now has PF6658 as formed 4500 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PF6658/
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-

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    So is he a PF6658*?

    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-
    Looks like he belongs to the CTS2617+CTS4562+ branch which had all 11 samples thus far from Italy (between FTDNA, 1KG and Francalacci data).
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    So is he a PF6658*?
    He tested negative at
    PF6660 (Z192)
    CTS7193

    He shows no evidence of a positive result at
    18051007 (S20550)
    7717741 (BY146)
    7009462 (FGC30121)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Looks like he belongs to the CTS2617+CTS4562+ branch which had all 11 samples thus far from Italy (between FTDNA, 1KG and Francalacci data).
    If CTS2617+ CTS4562+ was found among the 1000 Genomes samples, I am surprised it does not appear on YFull's haplotree. Do you have the sample number(s)?

    Or perhaps you mean the Tuscan samples, and YFull's tree is incorrect?
    Last edited by lgmayka; 05-18-2015 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    If CTS2617+ CTS4562+ was found among the 1000 Genomes samples, I am surprised it does not appear on YFull's haplotree. Do you have the sample number(s)?

    Or perhaps you mean the Tuscan samples, and YFull's tree is incorrect?
    It was only one 1KG sample (NA20792), so it makes sense since they did not have anything else to match it to. The other 9 samples were from the Sardinian Francalacci et al dataset and the last one was FTDNA kit no. N42592 from Sicily.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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