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    Age of PF6658/Z193?

    As more PF6658/Z193+ results are coming in, has anybody got any idea of the age of occurrence yet?
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    As it's at the same level below U152 as L2, I come up 4500 ybp +/- 750 years (3750 to 5250 ybp) using SNP count dating.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-24-2015 at 04:56 PM.
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    Thanks, Probably L2's brother

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    As it's at the same level below U152 as L2 I come up 4500 ybp +/- 750 years (3750 to 5250 ybp) using SNP count dating.
    Last edited by Solothurn; 01-24-2015 at 04:42 PM.
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    U152: A9024/BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (paternal grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (paternal gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (paternal grandmother)

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    FYI: Yfull now has PF6658 as formed 4500 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PF6658/
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    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-

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    So is he a PF6658*?

    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-
    LivingDNA link: Hidden Content

    Ancestry:


    England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 50%
    Northern England, Ireland and Scotland 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%


    My known English ancestral lines:

    U152: A9024/BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (paternal grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (paternal gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (paternal grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Kit 148821 of Poland (probably from this village) just received his Big Y results. He is
    Z193+
    PF6658+
    PF6660-
    Looks like he belongs to the CTS2617+CTS4562+ branch which had all 11 samples thus far from Italy (between FTDNA, 1KG and Francalacci data).
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    So is he a PF6658*?
    He tested negative at
    PF6660 (Z192)
    CTS7193

    He shows no evidence of a positive result at
    18051007 (S20550)
    7717741 (BY146)
    7009462 (FGC30121)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Looks like he belongs to the CTS2617+CTS4562+ branch which had all 11 samples thus far from Italy (between FTDNA, 1KG and Francalacci data).
    If CTS2617+ CTS4562+ was found among the 1000 Genomes samples, I am surprised it does not appear on YFull's haplotree. Do you have the sample number(s)?

    Or perhaps you mean the Tuscan samples, and YFull's tree is incorrect?
    Last edited by lgmayka; 05-18-2015 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    If CTS2617+ CTS4562+ was found among the 1000 Genomes samples, I am surprised it does not appear on YFull's haplotree. Do you have the sample number(s)?

    Or perhaps you mean the Tuscan samples, and YFull's tree is incorrect?
    It was only one 1KG sample (NA20792), so it makes sense since they did not have anything else to match it to. The other 9 samples were from the Sardinian Francalacci et al dataset and the last one was FTDNA kit no. N42592 from Sicily.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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