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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    On YFull's branch of PF6658 I do not recognize any SNPs that my group has?
    Here is the official YFull haplotree for R-U152. It does not have PF6658 at all, apparently because that SNP occurs too often in the tree. Go to this SNP search page and enter PF6658. You get the following results:
    − PF6658 R-CTS2617
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − PF6658 J-Y11782*
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − PF6658 R-Z192
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − PF6658 R-U152*
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − PF6658 J-L1064
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree


    Similarly, YFull declines to place Z193:
    − Z193 R-CTS2617
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − Z193 R-Z192
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree
    − Z193 R-U152*
    This position for SNP is not in the YTree


    YFull Groups shows that entry YF03574 in clade R-Y16248 tested
    CTS2617+ CTS4562+ Z193+ PF6658+

    EDIT: I found an email from Vladimir Tagankin of YFull, in which he explains why they decided to remove Z193 and PF6658 from their haplotree. He says that those locations (22439864 and 22440651 respectively) have too much homology for reliable interpretation in Big Y results.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 01-31-2016 at 03:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    On YFull's branch of PF6658 I do not recognize any SNPs that my group has? Will they have another name or is it that nobody submitted with our SNPs yet?

    http://www.yfull.com/arch-3.8/tree/R-PF6658/
    They are messy to interpret for a program, so I don't know that they will ever be included in YFull's tree. However, the combination of these two SNPs together has been confirmed with robust branching below it in over a hundred U152* samples (including raw data from Francalacci's Sardinians). So, we know that they represent a real genetic branch.
    Last edited by R.Rocca; 01-31-2016 at 04:41 PM.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    They are messy to interpret for a program, so I don't know that they will ever be included in YFull's tree. However, the combination of these two SNPs together has been confirmed with robust branching below it in over a hundred U152* samples (including raw data from Francalacci's Sardinians). So, we know that they represent a real genetic branch.

    Thanks Rick,

    This is Tim Duncan (FGC-1062AA/ZG69A, FTDNA-11804 (Duncan cluster)) from the Duncan cluster of U152+, PF6658+, Z193+ etc.

    Thanks for giving more background on the volume of tests and analysis for these variants. I was wandering if they were going to hold up as viable SNPs.

    It would be great if these positions can eventually be placed on the ISOGG and YFull trees etc., so others can see and use them. Of course you are maintaining the main U152 tree.

    FYI I have a second Y-Elite test ordered for another of our Duncans in this larger group and I am still working to get the BAM file for the other one.

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    New member. My big Y results show R-PF6658. Can you offer any advice on how to proceed, My goal is to find heritage information on my fifth great-grandfather father Philip Fetterly 1725-1803

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    Hello Fetterly,

    Welcome in this forum.
    Do you have SNP`s below R-PF6658, for example Z192 or PF6652.
    You can join the FTDNA R1b-U152 project.

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    How do I check for a SNP below R-PF6658? I have joined FTDNA R1b-U152 project. My kit # is 345651.Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetterley View Post
    How do I check for a SNP below R-PF6658? I have joined FTDNA R1b-U152 project. My kit # is 345651.Thank you.
    Fetterley is your BigY data placed on The Big Tree? Alex will compare you to all of us and place you according to who you match. I am also PF6658+ and not below Z192- but BY3642+. I am in the Duncan cluster below the group FGC5033.

    This is a smaller area below U152. My ancestry is British Isles most likely Scotland. Tim

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    Tim, yes I am on the big tree and I am listed with Bonham #92311. How do I determine more detail like above or below FGC5033 ? I believe my fifth great grandfather, Philip Fetterly 1725-1803, was a German immigrant.

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    Should someone in our group order the YFull, so our placement into the YTree is confirmed ?

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    Hello,
    I am administrator for my cousin's BigY-500 DNA test. We have been trying to establish a Haplogroup and possible ethnicity for my Mother's Paternal line. I already have 6 Generations in Devon, England in my Family Tree through thorough research. But nothing at all before about 1700. The name was Bohun originally, then anglicised to Boone hereafter down to my Grandfather (mother's father) My cousins haplogroup through FTDNA is FGC5033 I have put it into the BIG Y TREE and it is still under analysis at present. My cousin has 3 -12 marker matches all with English and German descent through his Y111 test. He has NO matches via Big Y-500 test and 1 exact match (Belgian) through his incomplete BIG Y Tree analysis. Any comments or answers appreciated on this especially in regards to ethnicity - Kit no 770775. Thanks.

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