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    Please Interpret My Results

    Hello,

    I was wondering if someone could interpret my results. I am Malayali (South Indian) and my parents state that we have West Asian ancestry/descendants of Cochin Jews. I wanted to test this and ran my results on several calculators but I am not sure how to interpret it. Any advice would be appreciated!

     

    HarappaWorld Oracle results:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 44.46
    2 Baloch 34.83
    3 Caucasian 11.67
    4 SW-Asian 2.52
    5 Papuan 2.14
    6 SE-Asian 1.81


    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 cochin-jew (behar) 5.28
    2 kerala-christian (harappa) 6.36
    3 tn-brahmin (xing) 8.04
    4 rajasthani (harappa) 8.08
    5 maharashtrian (harappa) 8.15
    6 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 8.16
    7 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.82
    8 meghawal (reich) 8.92
    9 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 9.02
    10 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.08
    11 kerala-nair (harappa) 9.22
    12 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 9.24
    13 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 9.69
    14 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 9.77
    15 gujarati (harappa) 9.81
    16 up (harappa) 9.89
    17 ap-brahmin (xing) 10.04
    18 gujarati-b (hapmap) 10.42
    19 tamil (harappa) 10.46
    20 kerala-muslim (harappa) 10.81

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77.9% velama (metspalu) + 22.1% iranian (harappa) @ 2.46
    2 79.3% velama (metspalu) + 20.7% kurd (xing) @ 2.57
    3 84.5% ap-reddy (harappa) + 15.5% georgian (harappa) @ 2.6
    4 78.4% velama (metspalu) + 21.6% kurd (harappa) @ 2.61
    5 81.7% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18.3% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2.67
    6 84.1% ap-reddy (harappa) + 15.9% armenian (behar) @ 2.7
    7 77.8% velama (metspalu) + 22.2% iranian (behar) @ 2.8
    8 81.7% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18.3% kurd (xing) @ 2.8
    9 81.5% karnataka (harappa) + 18.5% kurd (xing) @ 2.82
    10 80.4% ap-reddy (harappa) + 19.6% iranian (harappa) @ 2.84
    11 80.9% ap-reddy (harappa) + 19.1% kurd (harappa) @ 2.91
    12 83.6% ap-reddy (harappa) + 16.4% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.95
    13 83.8% ap-reddy (harappa) + 16.2% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.96
    14 80.3% karnataka (harappa) + 19.7% iranian (harappa) @ 2.96
    15 91.8% kerala-christian (harappa) + 8.2% georgian (harappa) @ 3.11
    16 82% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18% azeri (harappa) @ 3.11
    17 80.2% karnataka (harappa) + 19.8% iranian (behar) @ 3.13
    18 85.6% ap-reddy (harappa) + 14.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.13
    19 79.6% velama (metspalu) + 20.4% turkish (harappa) @ 3.14
    20 92.6% kerala-christian (harappa) + 7.4% georgian (behar) @ 3.14

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 cochin-jew @ 5.637543
    2 kerala @ 6.366282
    3 kerala-christian @ 7.024290
    4 tn-brahmin @ 8.841673
    5 rajasthani @ 8.873183
    6 brahmin-tamil-nadu @ 8.884654
    7 maharashtrian @ 8.972917
    8 goan @ 9.393512
    9 karnataka-brahmin @ 9.713467
    10 meghawal @ 9.846289
    11 iyer-brahmin @ 9.944565
    12 bihari-muslim @ 9.958426
    13 ap-hyderabad @ 10.132053
    14 kerala-nair @ 10.178630
    15 iyengar-brahmin @ 10.665417
    16 singapore-indian-b @ 10.784011
    17 gujarati @ 10.811581
    18 up @ 10.905982
    19 ap-brahmin @ 11.101410
    20 kerala-brahmin @ 11.307504

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% bene-israel-jew +50% gujarati-patel @ 3.964958


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% gujarati-patel +25% kurd +25% sakilli @ 2.994921


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 gujarati-patel + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.710009
    2 gujarati-patel + iranian + singapore-indian-a + velama @ 2.793790
    3 gujarati-patel + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.797425
    4 gujarati-patel + iranian + piramalai-kallar + velama @ 2.808299
    5 ap-reddy + gujarati-patel + iranian + vysya @ 2.822752
    6 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + velama @ 2.833487
    7 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + velama @ 2.838706
    8 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + velama @ 2.868165
    9 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + tamil-vellalar @ 2.874490
    10 gujarati-patel + iranian + singapore-indian-a + velama @ 2.882983
    11 gujarati-patel + iranian + kurumba + velama @ 2.887512
    12 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + velama @ 2.898129
    13 gujarati-a + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.901991
    14 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + tamil-vellalar @ 2.906006
    15 gujarati-patel + kurd + velama + vysya @ 2.911847
    16 gujarati-a + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.916702
    17 gujarati-patel + iranian + piramalai-kallar + velama @ 2.923994
    18 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadar + velama @ 2.924168
    19 gujarati-patel + iranian + karnataka + vysya @ 2.929506
    20 gujarati-patel + kurd + velama + vysya @ 2.977972

     

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_Asian 57.82
    2 West_Asian 26.9
    3 East_Med 8.36
    4 Oceanian 2.63
    5 East_Asian 1.42
    6 Northeast_African 0.99
    7 Amerindian 0.95
    8 Baltic 0.58
    9 Siberian 0.35

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kshatriya 9.83
    2 Gujarati 9.86
    3 Dharkar 12.47
    4 Brahmin_UP 12.47
    5 Velamas 12.92
    6 Bangladeshi 13.28
    7 Kanjar 13.61
    8 Kurumba 14.55
    9 Uttar_Pradesh 16.06
    10 Dusadh 16.27
    11 Sindhi 16.93
    12 Kol 16.96
    13 North_Kannadi 18.17
    14 Piramalai 18.65
    15 Chenchu 18.75
    16 Punjabi_Jat 19.86
    17 Pathan 21.55
    18 Sakilli 22.06
    19 Chamar 22.75
    20 Burusho 24.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80% Velamas + 20% Kurdish @ 3.25
    2 79.3% Velamas + 20.7% Iranian @ 3.48
    3 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Abhkasian @ 3.53
    4 75.7% Piramalai + 24.3% Abhkasian @ 3.56
    5 82% Velamas + 18% Georgian @ 3.69
    6 81.9% Velamas + 18.1% Armenian @ 3.84
    7 80.1% Velamas + 19.9% Azeri @ 3.93
    8 75.6% Piramalai + 24.4% Georgian @ 4
    9 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.03
    10 78.1% Kurumba + 21.9% Kurdish @ 4.14
    11 77.4% Kurumba + 22.6% Iranian @ 4.32
    12 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Abhkasian @ 4.36
    13 81.7% Velamas + 18.3% Adygei @ 4.37
    14 81.1% Velamas + 18.9% Kumyk @ 4.4
    15 82.3% Velamas + 17.7% Assyrian @ 4.44
    16 73.3% Piramalai + 26.7% Kurdish @ 4.45
    17 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.62
    18 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Georgian @ 4.63
    19 64.8% Piramalai + 35.2% Makrani @ 4.64
    20 81.8% Velamas + 18.2% Ossetian @ 4.66

     

    Dodecad V3
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_Asian 54.2
    2 West_Asian 17.39
    3 Mediterranean 7.55
    4 Southeast_Asian 6.52
    5 East_European 4.51
    6 Southwest_Asian 4.13
    7 West_European 2.86
    8 Northeast_Asian 2.07
    9 Northwest_African 0.4
    10 Neo_African 0.37

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 4.63
    2 TN_Brahmin (Xing) 6.9
    3 Meghawal (Reich) 7
    4 AP_Brahmin (Xing) 8.36
    5 Velama (Reich) 8.84
    6 Srivastava (Reich) 9.01
    7 Vaish (Reich) 10.55
    8 Indian (Dodecad) 11.02
    9 Sindhi (HGDP) 12
    10 Tharu (Reich) 12.18
    11 Pakistani (Xing) 12.34
    12 INS (SGVP) 12.94
    13 Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) 13.42
    14 Lodi (Reich) 13.51
    15 Hallaki (Reich) 14.72
    16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 15.1
    17 Naidu (Reich) 15.16
    18 Burusho (HGDP) 16
    19 GIH (HapMap) 16.62
    20 Vysya (Reich) 17.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.2% Vysya (Reich) + 25.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.88
    2 77.6% Hallaki (Reich) + 22.4% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
    3 69% TN_Dalit (Xing) + 31% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
    4 73.5% Vysya (Reich) + 26.5% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.21
    5 82.8% Hallaki (Reich) + 17.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.21
    6 86.7% Velama (Reich) + 13.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.22
    7 81.2% Hallaki (Reich) + 18.8% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 2.28
    8 76% Vysya (Reich) + 24% Turks (Behar) @ 2.36
    9 63% Hallaki (Reich) + 37% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.38
    10 56% Kurumba (Reich) + 44% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
    11 58.5% Vysya (Reich) + 41.5% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
    12 52.6% Mala (Reich) + 47.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
    13 64% Hallaki (Reich) + 36% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.43
    14 53.7% Mala (Reich) + 46.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.43
    15 78.5% Bhil (Reich) + 21.5% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.46
    16 57.1% Kurumba (Reich) + 42.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.46
    17 82.4% Naidu (Reich) + 17.6% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.47
    18 63.7% Velama (Reich) + 36.3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
    19 86.8% Velama (Reich) + 13.2% Turks (Behar) @ 2.54
    20 57.8% Kamsali (Reich) + 42.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.55

     

    Doug McDonald
    The automated computer results are as follows.
    Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
    interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

    Most likely fit is 17.0% (+- 1.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
    and 83.0% (+- 1.8%) S. Asia (all India)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
    most likely at the top
    Georgian= 0.171 S_India= 0.829 or
    Armenian= 0.163 S_India= 0.837 or
    Iranian= 0.199 S_India= 0.801 or
    Druze= 0.148 S_India= 0.852

    a custom fit is

    Armenian 0.0525 Sindhi 0.3564 S_India 0.5911 or
    Georgian 0.0481 Sindhi 0.3656 S_India 0.5863 or
    Iranian 0.0809 Sindhi 0.3120 S_India 0.6071 or
    Iranian 0.1464 Brahui 0.1053 S_India 0.7483 or
    Georgian 0.0995 Brahui 0.1440 S_India 0.7565 or
    Armenian 0.1057 Brahui 0.1366 S_India 0.7577

    which is simply adding upt to where the spot on the map is.

    Doug McDonald

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    Thanks.
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    This was also included in the interpretation by Dr. McDonald

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    The west Asian theory is defintley true in your case IMO. You score 8% East med on your eurogenes k13 whereas all South Asians such as punjabis, jatts and mainland Indians score none. That obviously indicates something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barnacle View Post
    The west Asian theory is defintley true in your case IMO. You score 8% East med on your eurogenes k13 whereas all South Asians such as punjabis, jatts and mainland Indians score none. That obviously indicates something.
    I agree. It does seem like he has legitimate West Asian ancestry as shown by the 11%+ Caucasus on HAP despite being Malayli and as you pointed out the 8%+ East Med on Eurogenes K13. Not to mention he has a quite a few West Asian populations in some of his oracles like Dodecad V3.

    By the way, some South Asians with no West Asian ancestry do score East Med on Eurogenes K13. I score 2.15% and often 2-3% SW Asian on other calculators like HarappaWorld.

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    Looks like that's the case:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 cochin-jew (behar) 5.28
    Can you try the Eurogenes ANE K7 calculator?

    Also, what are your Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups if you don't mind me asking?
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Thanks for replying back. I just ran it.

     

    Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

    Population
    ANE 26.94%
    ASE 20.43%
    WHG-UHG -
    East_Eurasian 5.83%
    West_African 0.34%
    East_African 4.04%
    ENF 42.42%


    I have L3* and M33a2 according to 23andMe. I think L3* refers to L-M357 (correct me if I am wrong).
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    What does the Eurogenes ANE K7 calculator indicate?

    Thanks

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    Hi fil welcome to the forum.from your haplogroups I guess you are of knanaya ancestry. Your west Asian scores are definitely higher for an average malayali but not for knanaya ancestry. I have already seen another knanaya autosomal profile which seem quite similar to yours . Cochin Jew ancestry seems a possible one since they seem to be your closest match
     

    My ancestral ydna haplogroups

    My Y-Line - R1a-Z93+L657+ Y7+
    Maternal Grandfather's Y-Line - L1a2-M357
    Paternal GM's family Y-Line - C1b-P92+ K96+
    Maternal GM's family Y-Line - J2a1-L26(M47- M67- M68- L24-)

    Ydna haplogroups of my ftdna family finder matches

    Second-Fourth Cousins
    R1a-Z93+ Y40+
    R1a-M17(not further tested)
    R2a-M124+ L295-(2)
    Q1a-L56+ Y2659+ Z5902+

    Third-Fifth Cousins
    R1a-M17(3)(Not further tested)
    J2b2-M241
    L1a1-M27+
    F-M89(possibly H3?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fil View Post
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    I have L3* and M33a2 according to 23andMe. I think L3* refers to L-M357 (correct me if I am wrong).
    L-M357 is also a common haplogroup among the Knanaya. Could I take a look at your STRs (if available)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG View Post
    Hi fil welcome to the forum.from your haplogroups I guess you are of knanaya ancestry. Your west Asian scores are definitely higher for an average malayali but not for knanaya ancestry. I have already seen another knanaya autosomal profile which seem quite similar to yours . Cochin Jew ancestry seems a possible one since they seem to be your closest match
    Yes I am Knanaya. Is L-M357 uncommon in India? So other Knanayas have West Asian scores similar to mine? I was really surprised to be matched closer to Cochin Jews than Kerala Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    L-M357 is also a common haplogroup among the Knanaya. Could I take a look at your STRs (if available)?
    Sorry I am new to this. What are the STRs and how to I access them?

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