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    I was wondering about red beards. I have a red beard. Does having a red beard mean that I carry the gene for red hair? I heard that red hair and the haplogroup R1b are connected. Any comments would be most welcome.

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    Yes bro!! Beard gang!! Lol although my beard isn't exactly ginger but when I go outside, the light hits my beard and it's pretty much ginger/brown. In the sunlight it's completey ginger/brown. Quite a few family members have ginger beards too. Sadly I havevt had the chance to take a genetic test.

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    My beard used to look mostly brown from a distance, but had individual brown, black, red, and blond in it. I am R1b. Other than that, I don't know the correlations. Now, it just looks gray/white with some brown (getting old!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradly88 View Post
    I was wondering about red beards. I have a red beard. Does having a red beard mean that I carry the gene for red hair? I heard that red hair and the haplogroup R1b are connected. Any comments would be most welcome.
    We have a thread on red hair variants here, but this is a topic that I find fascinating for some reason, so I'm willing to talk about it anywhere.

    Yes, I suspect that you probably carry one of the red hair variants, but probably just one copy, which is why it shows up in your beard but not your head hair. Since red hair is a recessive trait, you generally have to have two copies of a variant to actually have red hair on your head.

    I carry the red hair variant Arg160Trp (aka R160W, rs1805008), which has been confirmed by both my Family Finder results from FTDNA and the Red Head Test from BritainsDNA.

    If you have Family Finder results, download the raw data, open them with 7Zip (available for free online), and use the "Find & Select" function in the upper right of the spreadsheet to check for the red hair variants that are included in Family Finder. They are on the red hair variants table I am including in this post (use the RefSNP or "rs" number to hunt for the variants in the spreadsheet).

    23andMe tests for a few of the variants, too, so if you have 23andMe results, you can check for them, as well.

    I had a lot of red facial hair when I was young, too, before my beard started going white. Here is a bad photo of me when I was 18 taken from an old university ID. It shows my red moustache.

    Richard Stevens II Sept 1973.jpg

    Here's my red hair variants table. There are more variants than just these, but these are the ones I have been able to find out about thus far (I believe they are the most common ones, as well).

    red hair variants MC1R gene.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post

    Yes, I suspect that you probably carry one of the red hair variants, but probably just one copy, which is why it shows up in your beard but not your head hair. Since red hair is a recessive trait, you generally have to have two copies of a variant to actually have red hair on your head.
    Interesting....I do have one "A" at rs2228479. I guess that explains the red beard hairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    My beard used to look mostly brown from a distance, but had individual brown, black, red, and blond in it.
    Same here, and I look like my maternal grandfather (who was R1b-U152).
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    My beard is very light in color and what I guess you would call "Blonde". If I get to looking at it, it has a lot of copper hairs mixed in as well. It seems to get darker as I age turning to more of an auburn/brown color.

    I don't typically grow mine out though. Its light in a few spots and practically bald in a spot just below my chin. My fathers beard growing ability was definitely passed onto me. Its weird because some of my uncles can grow thick "Ned Flanders" type mustaches and some of them can't grow anything worth keeping. My Grandfather had a very light colored, full beard. Its interesting what you pick up and don't.
     
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    I have the same rainbow beard status as randwulf and Agamemnon. From afar it's basically dark. Up close, neck, cheek, sideburn and chin region's mostly black with random red hairs (10-15% I'd approximate). Moustache is various brown shades. Underlip hair's mostly blonde. Like The Barnacle, the non-dark colouring's really fleshed out in sunlight.

    Growing my first big beard two years back was a fun experience as all this additional hidden colouring was basically scraped off my face since my adult years (only needed to shave from 19 onwards; the full-beard-from-13 stereotype occasionally given to West Asians didn't apply with me).

    I feel for guys it's a unique way of discovering phenotypic aspects of your appearance that might be taken for granted. It's also nice seeing rms2's picture; he looked quite good with the solo moustache. Not everyone can pull it off, even when it was more fashionable.

    I'm regrowing the beard out, so will report back here in 6-10 weeks with a couple pictures.

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    If I can find the pics, I'll post some of my beard growing attempts. I think it would look just fine if I could get past that awkward stage.
     
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