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    South Ossetian 23andme

    23andme proves South Ossetians are a homogenous group and have not mixed with Kartvelians.

    100% South Ossetian:



    100% North Ossetian:



    Ancestry Composition:

    South Ossetian:



    North Ossetian:


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    Don't you have a contrasting plot for Kartvelians?

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    My father is sharing 6cM with an Ossetian (Dimitrius Wandalorum et Alanorum). Probably it's an old IBD segment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asparuk View Post
    23andme proves South Ossetians are a homogenous group and have not mixed with Kartvelians.
    Nah, it doesn't show that as all. This sounds like a political post. The fact 80+% of the ancestry is shared with other Caucasians groups like Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis within the "Middle-East" subgrouping shows the opposite.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Nah, it doesn't show that as all.
    Put on your glasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    This sounds like a political post.
    Even if it was, I still have a stronger case than you.
    Georgian for comparison:



    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    The fact 80+% of the ancestry is shared with other Caucasians groups like Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis within the "Middle-East" subgrouping shows the opposite.
    Why don't you provide a source for this "fact". Hmmm? I'd like to see full autosomal results not assumptions made from y-dna or mtdna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asparuk View Post
    Put on your glasses.
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    Have you posted the right plot for South Ossetian? I'm sharing with a Georgian whose green marker is right on top of that one.

    Screen shot 2015-02-09 at 19.55.59.png
    Last edited by J1 DYS388=13; 02-09-2015 at 07:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    Have you posted the right plot for South Ossetian? I'm sharing with a Georgian whose green marker is right on top of that one.

    Screen shot 2015-02-09 at 19.55.59.png
    Yes I have double checked the PCA's. Your Georgian appears to be an outlier (partly Russian ancestry) but even then he's still below the South Ossetian cluster. I have marked the other 3 Georgians:


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    Asparuk's point is that Ossetian populations cluster in a different position on PCA's from Georgians and the differences within Ossetians aren't pronounced and perhaps what one would expect from an isolated mountain group (only ~3% autosomal component difference). The divide between Ossetians and Georgians (indicated by above) certainly appears larger than between the North and East European clusters.

    Just to corroborate your inference with numerical data (more helpful and less liable to misinterpretation), do you have the GEDmatch IDs of Ossetian individuals, Asparuk? You should run them through an up-to-date calculator and share the top 20 genetic distance (GD). As a comparison, you could also find an Armenian ID and display that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asparuk View Post
    Put on your glasses.



    Even if it was, I still have a stronger case than you.
    Georgian for comparison:





    Why don't you provide a source for this "fact". Hmmm? I'd like to see full autosomal results not assumptions made from y-dna or mtdna.
    You do have autosomal results, it's called Ancestry Composition. Hell, it's not perfect but it does the trick. I don't see how this doesn't make you have Kartvelian ancestry.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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