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    Quote Originally Posted by daihatsu View Post
    Good evening!

    First of all I would like to introduce myself a little. I am adopted and I already know my biological mother. My biological father is not known.. Since I live, I always wanted to know my ancestry/roots. It feels like a gap that I do not have this information.

    I have tested at Consanguinitas in The Netherlands, but I feel not happy about my results. I mean, it was kind of expensive and I only got a very basic test. I want to do further testing, but I would like to know if my results can say something about my subclade or countries of origin.

    I have a strong feeling towards Balkan, mostly Albania.

    My question...is there somebody who can give me some details based on the information I have? Or is there a subclade calculator which can be useful?

    My Haplogroup is R1B. Below are my results:
    DYS456= 15
    DYS389I=13
    DYS390= 25
    DYS389II= 29
    DYS458= 16
    DYS19= 14
    DYS385= 12, 14
    DYS393= 13
    DYS391= 10
    DYS439= 13
    DYS635= 24
    DYS392= 13
    YGATAH4= 11
    DYS437= 15
    DYS438= 12
    DYS448= 18

    I also got this information, but I'm not sure if it's reliable:
    R1b-L21 North Atlantic 48.3%
    R1b P312/S116* WesternEuropean 21.7%
    R1b DF27/S250 Ibero-Atlantic 16%
    R1b U152/S28 Italo-Gaulish 10.1%
    R1b U106/S21 Proto-Germanic 2.3%
    R1b Z2103>L584 1.3%
    R1b Z2103>Z2106 0.3%

    Please help me with this issue.

    Thank you very much in advance for your effort and replies!
    You need to upgrade if you want to actually find real matches. That res is too low to make any sense out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    I believe that "Vlach" in this context is used as an umbrella term for the Latin-speaking populace of the Balkans, regardless if they were Dalmatian-speakers from the western Balkans or Eastern Romance-speakers from the central and eastern Balkans.

    Should be noted that the Eastern Romance-speaking groups of today, so the Aromanians, Romanians etc, who are referred to as "Vlachs", actually diverged from the same ancestor (Proto-Romanian) sometime during the Migration Period or a little earlier. So in essence they split from the same ancestral population. It's also very likely that they assimilated or picked up different groups along the way.
    Eastern Romance speaking doesn't necessarily mainly refer to the eastern Balkans. It's also known as Inland Latin which was spoken more inland in the central Balkans, whereas Western Romance refers mainly to Latin spoken in coastal areas.

    Vlach as far as I know is a term used originally for proto-Romanians and Aromanians and indeed they diverged from a group of people somewhere in the ninth or tenth century.

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    Just a quick recap of a very long and ultimately very satisfying journey:
    2)The genealogical mapping and bibliography that we have related to the Dukagjini come from primary sources which have been transcribed in all the wrong ways and then imbued with material that never comes up in contemporary sources as a means to solve the inconsistencies which were produced by false transcription.
    3)In turn, that made it impossible to establish a coherent ancestry of Dukaginzade based on secondary bibliography. In that framework, descent from "unknown" Dukagjini or a matrilineal Dukagjini/patrilineal Kuka descent were somewhat more reasonable scenarios.
    4)Primary accounts, however, reveal a very different picture.
    5)There's no need to get into convoluted details so here's the end result: Dukaginzade Ahmed Pasha is a direct descendant of Pal Dukagjini. That is verifiable in the primary, contemporary, reliable sources of the 16th century without a shred of doubt.

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    An article on the ethnographic region of Golloborda in eastern Albania has been posted on the Rrėnjėt DNA Project website, written by one of the admins, Alban. Golloborda is a region that is comprised of both exclusively Albanian-speaking villages and bilingual villages that speak both Albanian and a Bulgaro-Macedonian dialect. A total of 33 samples have been gathered from this region, with 18 of those coming from the bilingual villages and the remaining 15 from the exclusively Albanian-speaking villages. The results are rather interesting.

    From the results that have been gathered it seems that in the Albanian-speaking villages there is a dominance of E-V13 (~33.3%), whilst in the bilingual villages J2b-L283 dominates (~38.9%). Interestingly, E-V13 has a rather minor presence in the bilingual villages, reaching only ~5.6%. The second most dominant haplogroups among them being R1a-M417 and I2a-Y3120 (both at ~16.7%).

    The second most dominant group among the Albanian villages so far seems to be R1a-M417 at ~26.7%, with the vast majority of it being comprised by the R-Y133383 cluster which is centred around the village of Okshtun. However it should be noted that in the Albanian-speaking villages there is an absence of I2a-Y3120. J2b-L283 surprisingly only makes up ~13.3%. J2b-Y23094 and J2b-Y21878 dominate the L283 clusters in the region.

    Interestingly, R1b-Z2705 has yet to be found in the area. The only cluster under R1b-M269 to have been found so far is R1b-FGC40202 which is also found across Albanian-speaking regions. Personally however I do think R1b-Z2705 will for sure show up once more are tested.

    As a whole, clusters that can be linked to the expansion of the Slavs make up ~30.3% of all haplogroups which is slightly more elevated when compared to some other regions in Albania, however it is still lower than some of the regions in southeastern Albania which can go up to ~35%. These clusters make up 26.7% of the clusters in the Albanian-speaking villages and ~33.4% in the bilingual villages.
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    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    An article on the ethnographic region of Golloborda in eastern Albania has been posted on the Rrėnjėt DNA Project website, written by one of the admins, Alban. Golloborda is a region that is comprised of both exclusively Albanian-speaking villages and bilingual villages that speak both Albanian and a Bulgaro-Macedonian dialect. A total of 33 samples have been gathered from this region, with 18 of those coming from the bilingual villages and the remaining 15 from the exclusively Albanian-speaking villages. The results are rather interesting.

    From the results that have been gathered it seems that in the Albanian-speaking villages there is a dominance of E-V13 (~33.3%), whilst in the bilingual villages J2b-L283 dominates (~38.9%). Interestingly, E-V13 has a rather minor presence in the bilingual villages, reaching only ~5.6%. The second most dominant haplogroups among them being R1a-M417 and I2a-Y3120 (both at ~16.7%).

    The second most dominant group among the Albanian villages so far seems to be R1a-M417 at ~26.7%, with the vast majority of it being comprised by the R-Y133383 cluster which is centred around the village of Okshtun. However it should be noted that in the Albanian-speaking villages there is an absence of I2a-Y3120. J2b-L283 surprisingly only makes up ~13.3%. J2b-Y23094 and J2b-Y21878 dominate the L283 clusters in the region.

    Interestingly, R1b-Z2705 has yet to be found in the area. The only cluster under R1b-M269 to have been found so far is R1b-FGC40202 which is also found across Albanian-speaking regions. Personally however I do think R1b-Z2705 will for sure show up once more are tested.

    As a whole, clusters that can be linked to the expansion of the Slavs make up ~30.3% of all haplogroups which is slightly more elevated when compared to some other regions in Albania, however it is still lower than some of the regions in southeastern Albania which can go up to ~35%. These clusters make up 26.7% of the clusters in the Albanian-speaking villages and ~33.4% in the bilingual villages.
    Thank you, unfortunately the Rrėnjėt DNA Project is closed, but I managed to read the article with Google translate. In fact we have one person from a Bulgarian village in Trebisht in the Bulgarian DNA project with a Big Y, proven J2b2-BY87493, suppose the others are from the same branch, which is not directly shared with other ethnic Albanians under BY87493.
    However, I am surprised to see E1a-M132 among Albanians, as far as I know this is an African branch. Has someone from the Albanian project been tested deeper with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Thank you, unfortunately the Rrėnjėt DNA Project is closed, but I managed to read the article with Google translate. In fact we have one person from a Bulgarian village in Trebisht in the Bulgarian DNA project with a Big Y, proven J2b2-BY87493, suppose the others are from the same branch, which is not directly shared with other ethnic Albanians under BY87493.
    However, I am surprised to see E1a-M132 among Albanians, as far as I know this is an African branch. Has someone from the Albanian project been tested deeper with it?
    Yes, I believe he is the J2b-Y82978* sample on Yfull that has put up the Bulgarian flag. From what I have understood, there are in fact other Y82978+ samples from different regions of Dibra (e.g. Lura and Bulqiza) however they have not done further testing so it's difficult to say how close they are. We know that the J2b-Y82978>CTS8786+ Albanians from Shkreli share a TMRCA of ~1,500 ybp with him. By the way, do you know if his family have oral traditions of origin from elsewhere? I ask because there is a family from Trebisht-Balaj with the same last name that supposedly trace their origin to Lura in northwestern Dibra.

    As for E1a-M132, it is indeed very interesting. So far I have come across 3 other Albanians with this haplogroup, but unfortunately they have not done any further testing so it's hard to say how and when this branch arrived.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Yes, this is YF08113 at YFULL and kit#306834 at FTDNA. I can see the block tree and he is on a separate branch as BY87493* with 7 private SNPs, While 2 Albanians an 2 Bohsniaks are under CTS8786. They have probably separated not so recently. This is a sponsored kit and I don't know anything about his pedigree.

    Regarding E1a-M132, it is mentioned it was found in Europe also in Sothern and even North Eastern Italy.
    E-M132 is found most often in West Africa, and today it is especially common in the region of Mali. One study has found haplogroup E-M132 Y-chromosomes in as much as 34% (15/44) of a sample of Malian men, including 2/44 E-M44 and 13/44 E-M33/M132(xE-M44).[6] In particular, the Dogon people of Mali have been found to carry haplogroup E-M132 with a frequency as high as 45.5% (25/55). This makes it perhaps the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in this population, though haplogroup E-P1 appears to be almost equally frequent among the Dogon (24/55 = 43.6%).[3] Another study has found haplogroup E-M132 in 15.6% (44/282) of a pool of seven samples of various ethnic groups in Guinea-Bissau.[4] Haplogroup E-M132 also has been found in samples obtained from Moroccan Berbers, Sahrawis, Burkina Faso (including E-M33/M132(xE-M44) in 2/20 = 10% Fulbe and 2/37 = 5.4% Rimaibe[2]), northern Cameroon (including E-M44 in 9/17 = 53% Fulbe and E-M33/M132(xE-M44) in 3/15 = 20% Tali[2]), Senegal (7/139 = 5.0%[7]), Ghana (1/29 = 3% Ga, 1/32 = 3% Fante[3]), Sudan (including 5/32 = 15.6% Hausa and 3/26 = 11.5% Fulani[5]), Egypt (1%[3]-1.4%[8]) Calabria (including both Italian and Albanian inhabitants of the region), 1 Italian (from 67 tested) from Trentino in northeastern Italy,[9] and Romanians from Constanţa.

    Suddenly it occurred to me that this solves the mystery of the 0.5 % Bulgarians found with the mysterious haplogroup E1-M96(xM35,xM2) in the Karachanak Y haplogroup study about 808 Bulgarians. Most of them are from Varna region and this is another '+' to my theory, that the Bulgarians, Gagauz and Albanians who migrated from Varna region to Moldova came initially from the SouthWest Balkans. The Romanian from Constanta could be from the Aromanian Vlachs who settled there in 19th c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Yes, this is YF08113 at YFULL and kit#306834 at FTDNA. I can see the block tree and he is on a separate branch as BY87493* with 7 private SNPs, While 2 Albanians an 2 Bohsniaks are under CTS8786. They have probably separated not so recently. This is a sponsored kit and I don't know anything about his pedigree.

    Regarding E1a-M132, it is mentioned it was found in Europe also in Sothern and even North Eastern Italy.
    E-M132 is found most often in West Africa, and today it is especially common in the region of Mali. One study has found haplogroup E-M132 Y-chromosomes in as much as 34% (15/44) of a sample of Malian men, including 2/44 E-M44 and 13/44 E-M33/M132(xE-M44).[6] In particular, the Dogon people of Mali have been found to carry haplogroup E-M132 with a frequency as high as 45.5% (25/55). This makes it perhaps the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in this population, though haplogroup E-P1 appears to be almost equally frequent among the Dogon (24/55 = 43.6%).[3] Another study has found haplogroup E-M132 in 15.6% (44/282) of a pool of seven samples of various ethnic groups in Guinea-Bissau.[4] Haplogroup E-M132 also has been found in samples obtained from Moroccan Berbers, Sahrawis, Burkina Faso (including E-M33/M132(xE-M44) in 2/20 = 10% Fulbe and 2/37 = 5.4% Rimaibe[2]), northern Cameroon (including E-M44 in 9/17 = 53% Fulbe and E-M33/M132(xE-M44) in 3/15 = 20% Tali[2]), Senegal (7/139 = 5.0%[7]), Ghana (1/29 = 3% Ga, 1/32 = 3% Fante[3]), Sudan (including 5/32 = 15.6% Hausa and 3/26 = 11.5% Fulani[5]), Egypt (1%[3]-1.4%[8]) Calabria (including both Italian and Albanian inhabitants of the region), 1 Italian (from 67 tested) from Trentino in northeastern Italy,[9] and Romanians from Constanţa.

    Suddenly it occurred to me that this solves the mystery of the 0.5 % Bulgarians found with the mysterious haplogroup E1-M96(xM35,xM2) in the Karachanak Y haplogroup study about 808 Bulgarians. Most of them are from Varna region and this is another '+' to my theory, that the Bulgarians, Gagauz and Albanians who migrated from Varna region to Moldova came initially from the SouthWest Balkans. The Romanian from Constanta could be from the Aromanian Vlachs who settled there in 19th c.
    The two Bosniaks are in fact from Sandžak (Škrijelje, Tutin) and trace their origin back to the Shkreli tribe, so they are of recent Albanian origin. They moved from Shkrel in Malėsi to Rugova in Kosovo, and from there into Sandžak.

    The presence of E1a-M132 in the Balkans really is interesting, at least one of them should do further testing so that we can get a better idea as to how this branch arrived.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Interesting detail I encountered while researching one of the Dibra Ottoman registers that may be relevant to one of the R1a clusters there. In Okshtun, Todec Strumac (Strumaha) is registered. The rest of the names are heavy Slavic too but Strumac/Strumaha is interesting because there was such a Slavic tribe: Strumljani - and they were one of the tribes that did inhabit Macedonia along with Berziti, Brsjaci, Draguvites etc.

    So perhaps they were the tribe that brought the Y133383 cluster to Gollobord?


    https://sh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strumljani

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post

    The presence of E1a-M132 in the Balkans really is interesting, at least one of them should do further testing so that we can get a better idea as to how this branch arrived.
    There is a E1a-(M33, M132) project and I see one Abdullah Koc from Turkey, could he be with Albanian origin? He is assigned to the branch E-BY183919, which he shares with a person from Morocco, on a parallel branch are a German and a Swiss. This branch is rarer than the other found in Europe, including a Jewish branch. On YFULL the tree is not so developed, he must be under Y63256.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y63256/

    Is it possible to compare STR to the Albanians?

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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